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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

"Please don't riot, that's what they want" may not be the best tactic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

I'm happy to see Russia collapse in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I've read these stories multiple times now and I still don't quite understand what's happening.

Why do these people think, burning down the offices does anything? I mean, the "scammers" apparently tell them, it's their patriotic duty to do so, but what weird mixture of slave mentality and superiority complex do you have to have to think it's your duty to burn down military buildings for some shady kabal of a patriotic underground?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, it doesn't make it easier to enlist. And it doesn't target civilians. And it sends the message that there are folks operating in the area that have the means to do these things. No matter who it is.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Look up, who this is. Grandmas. And they claim to act on behalf of some patriotic group in the government that is actually pro war.

And that just doesn't make sense. 90 years old women standing in the middle of the street with Molotov cocktails. Literally, that's no exaggeration.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

Nothing makes sense in Russia and never did. Just relax and enjoy the show!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is a tremendous amount of cultural weight behind this. The Russian Revolution began on International Woman's Day 1917 when crowds of women, often older, gathered in St Petersburg to protest the price of bread and the ongoing insanity of the Great War. Those women started the fire that would burn down the Czarist State

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Damn! Good to know. Thank you for the history lesson. It gives me some hope!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

How doesn't it make it easier to enlist? Please explain if You wouldn't mind ?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I’ve read these stories multiple times now and I still don’t quite understand what’s happening.

That's because it's mostly lies and propaganda not aimed at you, but the Russian people.

Russians have been burning those offices for over a year, with it ramping up after people started getting forcefully recruited. Russia as always is trying to say it's not "real russians" doing it, but people influenced by "the evil west". It's their standard strategy when it comes to pretty much any set back, ever. In this case it's mostly blamed on "evil ukranian scammers", so they can keep justifying the invasion and occupation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

It's standard strategy for every nation ever.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have two thoughts about this, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm nowhere near qualified to say if either of them are even close to the mark.

The first, and probably more optimistic, is that they're trying to find people who are sympathetic to the pro-ukrainian/anti-putin cause and giving them sort of a plausible deniability to act on those sympathies. That way if they get caught they can say "No of course not, I would never help Ukraine, I love the motherland, the man on the phone said this was good for Russia and that's why I did it"

The second is that a lot of people out there are just plain stupid. When you listen to even regular run-of-the-mill phone scammers, people fall for some absolutely bullshit stuff, I really wouldn't be too surprised if you could, with a little perseverance and choosing your words carefully, convince the same kind of people who think it's perfectly reasonable that the IRS will take payments in the form of Roblox gift cards to go commit arson.

EDIT: those 2 thoughts are based on the assumption that these scammers actually exist, there is also of course, option 3- Russia's lying or is dumb, there are no scammers doing this, the people doing this know full well what they're doing, and either A- this is just the government trying to cover it up with a bullshit story about scammers convincing people to do it, or B- that's the story the people doing this are giving and the Russian government is actually dumb enough to believe it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Some arsonists claimed that they were following the "instructions of the FSB"

If the FSB tell you to do something, you do it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It seems much more probable that russians just don't want to be drafted. Of course Russia blames Ukraine, but it's a pretty far out story to be pass even as fake news.

Anyway, even if it's true, it doesn't exactly put Russians in a good light, if they're so incredibly dumb that they can be scammed into setting fire to military offices.

It's a Russia-problem either way, and their reaction is to wave their arms around.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's what I was thinking too ...

N russians have their dumb people like any other culture.

But ye; to me it would make more sense that some antiwar russians mighta done it; just because what else can they really do to fight this regime?

They tried protesting, they tried fleeing ETC. + they're not wanted anywhere even if they did succeed in their escape...

Sooo idk...

One thing I bet on ; is after the war ( if there is an after ) the world should help reform / rebuild russia n bring in democracy or else russia will ALWAYS go back to it's inhumane/corrupt/brutal/shitty ways ...

This is a country that NEVER had a democracy so it needs intervention 1000% ASAP... Plus I wouldn't mind if russia in 'turn gave up some of its land/territory/labor/resources to form new countries for refugees, natives, Gypsies, Minorities ETC ...
{Goes without saying after the war Russia should absolutely pay reparations to Ukraine and EU too}