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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Israel got attacked by terrorists, Israel is now trying to kill those terrorists.

That's about it, really.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I will say what, said in another comment:

  • Israel stealing land since 1948.
  • Israel displacing 750 000 Palestinians in 1948.
  • Israel purposefully starving Palestinians.
  • Israel having Apartheid for decades upon decades.
  • The fact Hamas only exists due to Israel’s actions (1948 and Hamas made in 1987).
  • Israel Ethnic Cleansing.
  • Israel murdering more than 20 000 Palestinian people in the name of “self defense”.
  • Israel continuously lying about important things (example the calendar picture, claiming it was something important about Hamas but it was just an Arabic calendar and the 40 babies claim).
  • Israel saying they want to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza (normal civilians!!!)
  • Israel calling normal civilians “animals”

Or do you call it peace when Israel do illegal settlements in the Westbank, prison Palestinians, Apartheid and ridicule Palestinians for no reasons.

In that sense you can say; Israel is a terrorist state in the eyes of the Palestinians.

Stop pretending that it started on 7 oct. It never started at that date. It didn’t even start in 1948 but that’s the moment when Israel stole the majority of the land (the Nakba).

I don't agree with what Hamas did but after being driven out their land, homes, ridiculed, murdered. Apartheid. It is understandable at one point some lose their sanity and will have only hatred in their hearts.

Do realize they lost everything they ever cared for. Land stolen, homes stolen, families and friends murdered.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

...and is indiscriminately killing civilians in the process.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The babies are hummus!

The toddlers are hummus!

The trailer full of flour, the girl trapped in the car, the people in the DESIGNATED SAFE ZONES?

All hummus

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is how the Jewish were treated by all countries in WWII. Going against Israel gives the opposing party ammunition that only works due to most people not understanding the politics at play

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

To fund the military industrial complex.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Israel wants to kill everyone in ~~Gaza~~ the Middle East and take their land a la Lebensraum. (They want to take Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt too (and even Turkey))

America wants to control the middle east so they can control the oil.

Our entire modern society revolves around oil.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The history of the conflict is pretty complicated. As far as US support goes, the US can utilize Israel and wars as a destabilizing force in middle east which is beneficial to the Military Industrial Complex, and influence in the region with Hard/Soft Power. Reductively, because of Money and Power.

Following Israel’s stunning victory and occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, Washington concluded that Arab nations had moved into the Soviet camp and so increased weapons sales to the Jewish state, including Phantom jet fighters.

Initially as an anti Soviet position under LBJ

Military support for Israel solidified under the Reagan administration which also began a more vigorous diplomatic defence of Israel – particularly shielding it from criticism at the United Nations.

And especially to sell weapons under Reagan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/16/why-israel-allies-explainer

The US has been supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestine since the 1967 war and the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and that position has led to the US supporting the ongoing genocide in Gaza today.

Biden is also a strong Zionist, so... There's that too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is an ally in the middle east, the only one who does what the US says whenever they say it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

spits out coffee

Israel does what they want.

Their interests align with ours more often than, say, Syria, but they are not a puppet state. Israel tells US foreign policy to go fuck itself sideways on a regular basis.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Politics baby

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because they love their colonial overlords, the UK, and the UK gave part of palestina to the jews to create Israel?

Must be something like that, or just plain longing to influence a tiny part of the world that is close to the area that has a tad of oil in the ground.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

At this point if anyone is the satellite state between the US and UK it's the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

you really need to go back and look at the history of post WWII. How that cookie crumbled has set the world stage for where it is today. Israel is part of a long term geopolitical chess game that hasn't fully played out yet.

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