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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Do you have any source for that?

The sources I've found doesn't show they have that big a market share

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You're right, thanks for the input. I'll make adjustments to take care of these flaws in the scoring system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks, this is very useful to know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Myself and my family will be using it to replace Microsoft/Google products

Excel, Google docs, word, pdf etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I would argue that is two different issues

"Are you free to easily move around and control your data" = High decentralization score

"do you have full control over your data?" = A different question

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The scoring system is basically there to put a number on "How free are users and hosts of a platform to move around?" Or "How much power is in the hands of the people and not a few companies?"

For me Email scores very high in this regard.

As far as I know most Lemmy instances leverages paid-for or freemium services to have their instances work easily/properly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OnlyOffice claim to be Open Source https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE Is that just a deception? and their core code is closed source?

If that's the case I'm likely going with NextCloud Office, one of the reasons I'm hosting nextcloud etc. is to move away from proprietary software and to OpenSource

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

The scoreing system is basically there to put a number on "How free are users and hosts of a platform to move around?"

Or "How much power is in the hands of the people and not a few companies?"

For me Email scores very high in this regard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Why is there a "Top Provider Content Share" metric if its gonna score the same as the "Top Provider User Share" every time ?

As said in the footer, this is a work in progress, I'm posting it to get input and still refining sources

Why is the Top Provider Content Share not higher than the user share ? For instance, emails usually have at least one sender and one recipient, making it twice as likely that at least one of them is using gmail. If an email has 10 recipients across 10 different providers, each provider has a copy of the data

I'd love to get better data on this, I've looked but not yet found better data than what I included in the source

Why is ease of hosting a mail server rated so well ? How is "leveraging email hosting services" decentralized in any way ?

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

Why are we using a random repo created a few hours ago by a random github user as a reference ?

It's my repo, it's to keep track of the versions and so that others can copy, edit and share it if they like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why is there a "Top Provider Content Share" metric if its gonna score the same as the "Top Provider User Share" every time ?

As said in the footer, this is a work in progress, I'm posting it to get input and still refining sources

Why is the Top Provider Content Share not higher than the user share ? For instance, emails usually have at least one sender and one recipient, making it twice as likely that at least one of them is using gmail. If an email has 10 recipients across 10 different providers, each provider has a copy of the data

I'd love to get better data on this, I've looked but not yet found better data than what I included in the source

Why is ease of hosting a mail server rated so well ? How is "leveraging email hosting services" decentralized in any way ?

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

Why are we using a random repo created a few hours ago by a random github user as a reference ?

It's my repo, it's to keep track of the versions and so that others can copy, edit and share it if they like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Jip check the Email under the Sources section.

The best source I could find for Bluesky is also linked under sources, there aren't any real numbers but they explain that it's probably less than 1%

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I used MAU where possible

 

🧮 Decentralization Scoring System (v1.0)

This scoring system evaluates how decentralized and self-hostable a platform is, based on four core metrics.

📊 Scoring Metrics (Total: 100 Points)

Top Provider User Share (30 points): Measures how many users are on the largest instance. Full points if <10%; 0 if >80%.
Top Provider Content Share (30 points): Measures how much content is hosted by the largest instance. Full points if <10%; 0 if >80%.
Ease of Self-Hosting: Server (20 points): Technical ease of running your own backend. Full points for Docker/simple setup with good docs.
Ease of Self-Hosting: User Interface (20 points): Availability and usability of clients. Full points for accessible, FOSS, multi-platform clients.


📋 Example Breakdown (Estimates)

📧 Email (2025)

  • Top Provider User Share: Apple ≈ 53.67% → Score: 4.5/30
  • Top Provider Content Share: Apple likely handles >50% of mail → Score: 4.5/30
  • Self-Hosting: Server: Easy (Leverage email hosting services) → Score: 18/20
  • Self-Hosting: Client: Easy (Thunderbird, K-9, etc.) → Score: 18/20

Total: 45/100


🐹 Lemmy (2025)

  • Top Provider User Share: lemmy.world ≈ 37.17% → Score: 12/30
  • Top Provider Content Share: lemmy.world likely hosts ~37% content → Score: 12/30
  • Self-Hosting: Server: Easy (Docker, low resource) → Score: 18/20
  • Self-Hosting: Client: Good FOSS apps, web UI → Score: 18/20

Total: 60/100


🐘 Mastodon (2025)

  • Top Provider User Share: mastodon.social ≈ 42.7% → Score: 11/30
  • Top Provider Content Share: mastodon.social ≈ 45–50% content → Score: 10/30
  • Self-Hosting: Server: Docker setup, moderate difficulty → Score: 15/20
  • Self-Hosting: Client: Strong ecosystem (Tusky, web, etc.) → Score: 19/20

Total: 55/100


🔵 Bluesky (2025)

  • Top Provider User Share: bsky.social ≈ ~90%+ (very centralized) → Score: 0/30
  • Top Provider Content Share: Nearly all content on bsky.social → Score: 0/30
  • Self-Hosting: Server: PDS hosting possible but very niche → Score: 4/20
  • Self-Hosting: Client: Mostly official client; some 3rd party → Score: 10/20

Total: 14/100


🟥 Reddit (2025)

  • Top Provider User Share: Reddit ≈ 48.4% → Score: 0/30
  • Top Provider Content Share: Reddit hosts a significant portion of user-generated content → Score: 0/30
  • Self-Hosting: Server: Not self-hostable (proprietary platform) → Score: 0/20
  • Self-Hosting: Client: Some unofficial clients available → Score: 3/20

Total: 3/100


How Scores are Calculated

🧑‍🤝‍🧑 How User/Content Share Scores Work

This measures how many users are on the largest provider (or instance).

  • 100% (one provider): If one provider has all the users, it gets 0 points.
  • No provider > 10%: If no provider has more than 10%, it gets full 30 points.
  • Between 10% and 80%: Anything in between is scored on a linear scale.
  • > 80%: If a provider has more than 80%, it gets 0 points.

📊 Formula:

Score = 30 × (1 - (TopProviderShare - 10%) / 70%)
…but only if TopProviderShare is between 10% and 80%.
If below 10%, full 30. If above 80%, zero.

📌 Example:

If one provider has 40% of all users:
Score = 30 × (1 - (40 - 10) / 70) = 30 × (1 - 0.43) = 17.1 points

🖥️ How Ease of Self-Hosting Scores Work

These scores measure how easy it is for individuals or communities to run their own servers or use clients.

This looks at how technically easy it is to run your own backend (e.g., email server, Mastodon server) or User Interface (e.g., web-interface or mobile-app)

  • Very Easy: One-command Docker, low resources, great documentation → 18–20 points
  • Moderate: Docker or manual setup, some config, active community support → 13–17 points
  • Hard: Complex setup, needs regular updates or custom config (e.g. DNS, spam) → 6–12 points
  • Very Hard or Proprietary: Little to no self-hosting support, undocumented → 0–5 points

PS.

This is Version 1.0 so there are likely flaws and mistakes in it, feel free to help create the best version we can I've put it on https://github.com/NoBadDays/decentralization-score

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I'm new to selfhosting, I've installed Turnkey nextcloud on my proxmox server, and done the basic setup, now I'm faced with this.

Any advice?

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