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At some point I'm going to start believing that we're clashing with another dimension where this shit actually happened because what the fuck are you on about. In what version of earth was the alt right movement defeated??? Lmaoo

If we can't say if something is intelligent or not, why are we so hell-bent on creating this separation from LLMs? I perfectly understand the legal underminings of copyright, the weaponization of AI by the marketing people, the dystopian levels of dependence we're developing on a so far unreliable technology, and the plethora of moral, legal, and existential issues surrounding AI, but this specific subject feels like such a silly hill to die on. We don't know if we're a few steps away from having massive AI breakthroughs, we don't know if we already have pieces of algorithms that closely resemble our brains' own. Our experiencing of reality could very well be broken down into simple inputs and outputs of an algorithmic infinite loop; it's our hubris that elevates this to some mystical, unreproducible thing that only the biomechanics of carbon-based life can achieve, and only at our level of sophistication, because you may well recall we've been down this road with animals before as well, claiming they dont have souls or aren't conscious beings, that somehow because they don't very clearly match our intelligence in all aspects (even though they clearly feel, bond, dream, remember, and learn), they're somehow an inferior or less valid existence.

You're describing very fixable limitations of chatgpt and other LLMs, limitations that are in place mostly due to costs and hardware constraints, not due to algorithmic limitations. On the subject of change, it's already incredibly taxing to train a model, so of course continuous, uninterrupted training so as to more closely mimick our brains is currently out of the question, but it sounds like a trivial mechanism to put into place once the hardware or the training processes improve. I say trivial, making it sound actually trivial, but I'm putting that in comparison to, you know, actually creating an LLM in the first place, which is already a gargantuan task to have accomplished in itself. The fact that we can even compare a delusional model to a person with heavy mental illness is already such a big win for the technology even though it's meant to be an insult.

I'm not saying LLMs are alive, and they clearly don't experience the reality we experience, but to say there's no intelligence there because the machine that speaks exactly like us and a lot of times better than us, unlike any other being on this planet, has some other faults or limitations....is kind of stupid. My point here is, intelligence might be hard to define, but it might not be as hard to crack algorithmically if it's an emergent property, and enforcing this "intelligence" separation only hinders our ability to properly recognize whether we're on the right path to achieving a completely artificial being that can experience reality or not. We clearly are, LLMs and other models are clearly a step in the right direction, and we mustn't let our hubris cloud that judgment.

What I never understood about this argument is.....why are we fighting over whether something that speaks like us, knows more than us, bullshits and gets shit wrong like us, loses its mind like us, seemingly sometimes seeks self-preservation like us.....why all of this isn't enough to fit the very self-explanatory term "artificial....intelligence". That name does not describe whether the entity is having a valid experiencing of the world as other living beings, it does not proclaim absolute excellence in all things done by said entity, it doesn't even really say what kind of intelligence this intelligence would be. It simply says something has an intelligence of some sort, and it's artificial. We've had AI in games for decades, it's not the sci-fi AI, but it's still code taking in multiple inputs and producing a behavior as an outcome of those inputs alongside other historical data it may or may not have. This fits LLMs perfectly. As far as I seem to understand, LLMs are essentially at least part of the algorithm we ourselves use in our brains to interpret written or spoken inputs, and produce an output. They bullshit all the time and don't know when they're lying, so what? Has nobody here run into a compulsive liar or a sociopath? People sometimes have no idea where a random factoid they're saying came from or that it's even a factoid, why is it so crazy when the machine does it?

I keep hearing the word "anthropomorphize" being thrown around a lot, as if we cant be bringing up others into our domain, all the while refusing to even consider that maybe the underlying mechanisms that make hs tick are not that special, certainly not special enough to grant us a whole degree of separation from other beings and entities, and maybe we should instead bring ourselves down to the same domain as the rest of reality. Cold hard truth is, we don't know if consciousness isn't just an emerging property of varios different large models working together to show a cohesive image. If it is, would that be so bad? Hell, we don't really even know if we actually have free will or if we live in a superdeterministic world, where every single particle moves with a predetermined path given to it since the very beginning of everything. What makes us think we're so much better than other beings, to the point where we decide whether their existence is even recognizable?

What if the vampire limitation extends to the digital world? What if a vampire can't be a hacker because they need permission from the admin on the target system?

Yo I'm from Honduras and your corporations literally invaded my country when workers started complaining about the dismal work conditions. There was a straight up coup enacted by an American business owner, specifically to get someone who aligned with American corporate values. Now the only way things have shifted is you no longer send a fleet filled with armed people to get rid of protests, you simply shut down entire factories with single digit day notice if people start even speaking about unionizing. The empire still intervenes when they don't like a political candidate, even now. I'm here to assure you that your take is just wrong. This is capitalism, and it evidently does not work.

Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?

I can't provide anything that you haven't been provided by a mental health expert, but I can tell you to be extremely aware of those attacking you online. They don't know you, they don't see you, they just see text and reply in a way that they've been conditioned to reply through their own experiences online. Some people are extremely hostile online, I would know, I was one of them. The moment a real person was attached to a comment, I felt instant remorse of my actions. I once attacked a temporary =3 host and he personally replied to me in a non-aggressive manner, and I can honestly trace back my awareness of my actions online to that one interaction, it filled me with remorse and embarrassment, I had just personally attacked someone for no reason other than they exposed themselves on the internet to try and entertain an audience, and I could see I had made them feel bad about it, it felt horrible.

This is a degree of awareness that is either unusual for most people or something that will eventually happen to them but hasn't happened yet, and this in no way reflects on you as a human being. Think about that whenever you feel attacked: they might lack the awareness of the impact of their actions, or they may be going through a rough time themselves, or they might just be assholes. None of these scenarios mean you are any less deserving of love and acceptance than anyone else, it just means we live in a world with a ton of people doing their thing and sometimes that's a harmful action towards others.

Same thing with real life bullies. I admit I'm not as lenient on them because I had a horrible time in school due to bullies, and now I see they have grown to be grown up bullies (one of my school bullies literally became a right wing libertarian lawyer who leads a libertarian community that's stealing aboriginal lands and suing my country for billions because the government doesn't want such communities to exist), I do not understand it, I hate it, but....it's still a problem with them and not with me. After years of feeling like I was unworthy of acceptance, of compassion or friendship, I found my people, I went to university and found my nerds, I grew up and went to work and found even more nerds, I eventually found a girl who vibes with me and we eventually found a bar where we found many people we like and we keep growing our friend circles with people who see us for who we are, who can have a nice time with us without the need to be hurtful to anyone (there's always banter and it's necessary to recognize banter for what it is, since under it there still is love). I'm currently writing this from said bar, surrounded by wonderful people and having changed my hateful self for a loving one. Loving myself has been a challenge and yet I've managed to get there, and I wish I could tell my teenage self we get there in the end.

Don't let the negative experiences rule your world, even if your own mind tricks you into doing so. I remember sorta becoming addicted to the pain, not being able to fall asleep without reliving all the pain I had been keeping in my heart. It's such a weird thing, but it was very real and I had to work very hard to overcome it, with medication, with friends, with reasoning and self awareness. It's not easy, it can almost feel impossible, but it can be done. I, for one, believe in you OP, not because I know you, but because I didn't believe in myself and I still pulled through, and I think if I could do it while rooting against myself at many points in time, so can you.

Allow me to quote a small fragment from the movie V for Vendetta: "even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you."

Coffee makes me crash, I don't understand how it works for you guys. I fucking love it still, but boy can it send me back to bed in a jittery mess as soon as I get a strong morning cup of if I haven't eaten breakfast.

I think the "Terrible" lip sync is actually just french lip sync tbh

I host a Plex server for close to 70 friends and family members, from multiple parts of the world. I have over 60TBs of movies, tv shows, anime, anime movies, and flac music, and everyone can connect directly to my server via my reverse proxy and my public IPs. This works on their phones, their tvs, their tablets and PCs. I have people of all ages using my server, from very young kids to very old grandparents of friends. I have friends who share their accounts with their families, meaning I probably have already hit 100+ people using my server. Everyone is able to request whatever they want through overseerr with their Plex account, and everything shows up pretty instantly as soon as it is found and downloaded. It works almost flawlessly, whether locally or remotely, from anywhere in the world. I myself don't even reside in the same home that my Plex server resides. I paid for my lifetime pass over 10 years ago.

Can you guarantee that I can move over to jellyfin and that every single person currently using my Plex server will continue having the same level of experience and quality of life that they're having with my Plex server currently? Because if you can't, you just answered your own question. Sometimes we self host things for ourselves and we can deal with some pains, but sometimes we require something that works for more people than just us, and that's when we have to make compromises. Plex is not perfect, and is actively becoming enshittified, but I can't simply dump it and replace it with something very much meant for local or single person use rather than actively serving tens to hundreds of people off a server built with OTC components.

I saw a brilliant explanation some time ago that I'm about to butcher back into a terrible one, bear with me:

Think about 2 particles traveling together. When one gets tugged, it in turns tugs the other one with it. This tug takes some time, since one particle essentially "tells" the other particle to come with it, meaning there's some level of information exchange happening between these two particles, and that exchange happens at the speed of light. Think about the travel distance between these two particles, it would be pretty linear, and pretty short, so you essentially do not notice this effect since it's so fast.

Now think about what happens when those 2 particles start going faster. The information exchange still happens, it still happens at the speed of light, but now that those particles are moving faster in some direction, the information exchange would seem to still go linearly from particle A to particle B, but in reality it would be traveling "diagonally", since it would have to cover that extra distance being added by the particles moving in certain direction. This is the crucial part: what happens when those particles start getting closer to the speed of light? Well, the information exchange would have to cover the very small distance between these particles, plus the added distance from traveling closer to the speed of light. At first it's pretty easy to cover this distance, but eventually you're having to cover the entire distance light would take to travel in a given moment, PLUS the distance between the two particles, which....can't happen since nothing can go faster than that speed.

That's essentially why you can never reach the speed of light, and why the more massive an object, the less speed it can achieve: all those particles have to communicate with each other, and that takes longer and longer the closer to the speed of light the whole object moves.

See, this also perfectly explains what you're asking: from the frame of reference of the particles, they're seeing the information go in a straight line to them, so time is acting normally for them, but from an external perspective, that information is moving in a vector, taking a long time to reach the other particle since it's having to cover the distance of near light speed in one direction, plus the distance between the two particles in another direction, for a total vector distance that is enormous rather than being negligible. At some point, you never see the information reach the other particle, or in other words, time for that whole object has slowed down to a near halt. This explains why time feels normal for the party traveling fast: they can't know they're slowed down since the information exchange is essentially the telling of time, but the external observer sees that slowdown happen, and in fact they get a compounded effect since those particles also communicate their state to the observer at the speed of light, and that distance between the observer and the particles keeps changing.

This also explains why the particles might be able to also see everything around them happening a lot faster than it should: not only is it taking them longer to get updates about themselves between themselves, but they're also running into the information from everything around them pretty fast, essentially receiving information from external sources faster than they do from themselves, thus causing this effect of seeing everything happening faster and faster, until it seems to all happen at once at the speed of light.

Here's the guy who made it all click for me, since I'm pretty sure I tangled more than one of you up with this long read: https://youtu.be/Vitf8YaVXhc

Is Mr Fink aware of the fate of the last CEO who tried to extract profits from those in need? Because I'm starting to think he and his lot are asking for a refresher on the matter.