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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You are still not understanding. EU law doesn't protect you from having to pay for goods and services. EU law just banned tools like adblock detection, because you have a right to privacy under data protection law.

It's like going to the store and hiding a pack of chewing gums in your pocket. If a store employee accuses you of stealing, they have no legal basis to force you to show the gum. They don't have elevated law enforcement rights. Your pocket is private.

In the same way, google is not allowed to act on the information, that you use adblock. It's still violating their TOS, which you ACCEPT by accessing their platform. Since we don't have a petty internet police, nobody will proscecute you for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Immorality only lies in circumventing ads via third party solutions. By that, you don't follow the contract, you have no right to consume their content, then.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I think that's morally quite okay... well, compared to people's general mindset in this thread.

But still, think about your creators without YouTube. Where do they go? Nebula? Maybe something like that would work. Likely, if YT is no more. Would that change anything? Not really. There will always be problems, the bigger something is, the worse it gets.

Also, I don't understand your reference, but that's okay.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The nutella butter thing was kind of a meme, bit kf ragebait. It's a shit comparison, on purpose. It's so shit, you should understand my point through that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

IDK maybe I'm bad at english or something, but this is exactly my point. Either you pay, or you watch ads. Both is okay, they get paid. I just don't think YouTube with ads is a better deal than Premium, due to the amount of videos and therefore ads a regular person watches on the daily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Watching with ads is completely fine. I just cannot justify watching 15-30 seconds of ads for a single video (it's probably more nowadays).

I actually did say just about that in my post, so I don't see how you disagree with me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's still people doing that. In fact, that's like 90% I'd say.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As of now, Lemmy is still quite niche. People wouldn't generate a high, stable income on Lemmy sized platforms. It's fine if it's just for fun, but it's not really viable as a full business.

Streaming platforms that compete with YT conform to most exactly the same conditions. They need some form of income.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think you misunderstood. Them making money trough straight payments AND through ad revenue are both completely fine incomes.

However, there is no morality in denying them both while still benefiting from their goods and services. You'd support my argument if it was about some local busines. For some odd reason this shifts peoples perspecives. Someone offers something and says "hey it's not for free, but I won't actually know if you paid or not" (well YouTube does know, but that's secondary).. It's not right to deny them their pay. There are no consequences to it, but you know that it's not sustainable if everybody thinks like you.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I think you misunderstood. Them making money trough straight payments AND through ad revenue are both completely fine incomes.

However, there is no morality in denying them both while still benefiting from their goods and services. You'd support my argument if it was about some local busines. For some odd reason this shifts peoples perspecives. Someone offers something and says "hey it's not for free, but I won't actually know if you paid or not" (well YouTube does know, but that's secondary).. It's not right to deny them their pay. There are no consequences to it, but you know that it's not sustainable if everybody thinks like you.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I think you misunderstood. Them making money trough straight payments AND through ad revenue are both completely fine incomes.

However, there is no morality in denying them both while still benefiting from their goods and services. You'd support my argument if it was about some local busines. For some odd reason this shifts peoples perspecives. Someone offers something and says "hey it's not for free, but I won't actually know if you paid or not" (well YouTube does know, but that's secondary).. It's not right to deny them their pay. There are no consequences to it, but you know that it's not sustainable if everybody thinks like you.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your answer to those questions is no...

You clearly know my stance about consumption of goods and services. I wouldn't say no to that.

Alphabet is a for profit company. They have every right to be. If they do something, it's to generate income in some way, at some point. Google Maps is here for a multitude of reasons. User data is what comes to mind. They also take sponsorship money. Be a restaurant, pay money to be on top of the "restaurants in x city" results. GSuite has a business model, the free model also tries to make you stay with Google. Of course this stuff can cost money. Of course it's also fine if they absolutely milk you for your personal data, as long as you agree, which in the past (and future) has been a problem... not topic of the day.

If they charge money (or ad consumption) for something and I don't feel like paying, I'm not using. This is the gist of it.

 

Edit: Since you guys are downvoting my post, I'll assume my post does not belong here, because I represent a POPULAR opinion. Remember "ah yes, this is unpopular = upvote" "wait no, everyone likes nutella with butter, popular opinion = downvote"

YouTube Premium is a good deal for most regular YouTube users.

I don't think there's much of a debate here, yet most people seem to disagree with me

Pricing: Absolutely fair IMO. Think about other streaming services. Netflix is more expesive, even music streaming services are barely cheaper. If you can't afford the single pricing, get a family plan, share with whoever you trust enough. How many videos do you watch in one month? How many minutes of ads is that? Likely quite a few minutes.

Who gets the money?: What did you expect? A lot of it goes to YouTube -> Alphabet/Google. Of course it does. Hosting a seemingly unlimited amount of on demand fullHD or even 4k videos and streams for a MASSIVE userbase is not cheap. Still, content creators do report that YouTube premium earnings per viewer are way more valuable than YouTube free earnings per viewer. So, I fail to see the problem.

Financially supporting Alphabet/Google: I mean, yeah, they aren't the greatest company, I'm with you on that. If you have a problem with supporting such a company, don't use their services. If you don't pay for them with money, you pay with time by watching ads. If you do neither, you're basically commiting petty theft. The victim being a "bad" company doesn't make that better.

Using AdBlock: Like I just said, that's petty theft and it's not okay just because you're doing it to a big bad company. Running YouTube costs money, if more people use it, it costs more. If nobody pays for it, it's dead. Additionally, if nobody pays, no content creator earns money. That's a secondary effect, as you could still pay creators directly.

Paying creators directly: If you do that, good on you, good on the creators. If everyone uses AdBlock with that, say bye to YouTube. Creators will use another hosting platform, either like YouTube (rinse and repeat) or selfhosted.

Content creators host their own content: That would be so so bad. The overlap of "content creator", "able to selfhost" and "willing to selfhost" is small. Anyway, even if everyone pulled it off, most would go out of business for sure. Also, have fun browsing videos if everyone selfhosts. We'd need a global platform for browsing now:)

YT premium paywalls features: Yes. So? Heard of Bitwarden? People love that company for their generous services. Even they paywall features like TOTP and emergency contacts. Paywalling features is normal. In fact, it's to be expected. Just because something was free once doesn't mean it should still be free. Just because a part of it is free doesn't mean everything about it should be free.

The YouTube App sucks / YT Music sucks: Nobody forces you to use it. But if you do, clearly you see some value there. Pay for it in some way if they request you do so.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

 

Here I hit revenant with everything the PK got, and it's enough to break the shadow shield and do 18 damage to his purple armor

Here I hit revenant with everything the PK got, and it's enough to break the shadow shield and do 18 damage to his purple armor

In the recap, we only see the 18 damage done to his purple armor

In the recap, we only see the 18 damage done to his purple armor

 

Have you guys ever had the problem of slippery headbands or "unstable" headphones?

I have a rather big head (hat size 62 EU) and don't like headphones with super strong clamping forces. Apparently these two factors make headphones quite prone to moving on my head and even slipping straight off.

Headphones with rubberized or "not so slick" headbands tend to stay quite well, however headbands made of nylon or similar materials don't do such a great job.

It's not a problem as long as I don't move my head, but some movements like bending over are guaranteed "slip offs".

Do you run into these problems? If so, what's your solution? Do you glue the drivers straight to your ears?

 

Side note: It's also called Parizer in reference to Paris, the city that is neither Bologna, nor Lyon, another french city which would be the actual origin of the sausage.

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