PointyReality

Yeah a few but you are missing the deportation part which is the stark difference between the two administrations.

Did Biden deport anyone protesting this? If the answer is no then historically speaking protests while being allowed have always been a way to apply pressure for change. I won’t argue that they definitely could have done alot more but I won’t accept that both parties are same when at least one of them would have still allowed a way to potentially have changed their stance when the other just deports them because they are fascists.

Yeah for sure, I won’t deny that. My interest though in my initial comment was more intrigued about the voters themselves and their understanding on why they with held their vote. Not alot of self reflection being done tbh.

How is my opinion dishonest, considering the current fascist regime is deporting people. Whereas under Biden there was still a chance to protest. Which one would you think then allowed an environment for further protest to then allow for possible change in how the US handled or currently handling the situation?

Exactly, I am not saying the democratic party was great at it. My point is the protests were still allowed to happen though as in my mind arrests essentially still allowed protests to occur, deportations though are a different matter. You ask any proper activist about how many times they have been arrested for protesting, they typically wear it like a badge of honour. Deportation though is another matter. So I still stand firm that there would have been a greater chance for a better outcome under a Democratic administration.

Further protests and continued outcry, better to chance to have had a change in the stance under a democratic administration. Could you tell me under the current administration one if there is a good chance of being arrested or deported by simply protesting and voicing support for the Palestinians?

Yes, because I stand firm in my belief that there was a better chance to have had a better outcome under a Democratic administration after applying more pressure then the current fascist one. Thank you for your time but it appears you are just going around in circles at this point with your view.

Versus the current situation. I still stand firm in my belief that there was a better chance to have had a better outcome for Palestine under the alternative administration then the current one who deports people for speaking out against it.

I am not separated by anything that is occurring in Palestine or the lack of humanity surrounding the issue, it’s a tragedy and one that is likely to repeat if we don’t understand what went wrong with people and how they interpreted not only the parties but the whole situation leading up to the election. One campaign was very authoritarian in their messaging and the other simply said no. Under which administration do you think there would have been a better chance to have had applied more pressure and possibly create a change in their stance towards this issue?

The fact you even thought to call both policies fascist is incredible to me.

One side at least attempted to apply pressure. Was it enough and more should have been done I will not argue with that. But no way in shape or form is the current option better when there was better chance of something happening under the other option given enough pressure.

Plenty of reason to understand these people better so that messaging can be refined for the future, if they choose to feel guilt over their action or inaction because of this then good. Because look at whats happening and if this was their sole reason for withholding or voting another way then yeah I say they need to feel guilt so they can learn themselves how to better use their power to create change.

Please point out in my comment where I said there cote would have flipped the election results, also please note you and others stated alot as evidence for these can be found that the majority just did not vote in protest because of this issue. But I won’t accept that there is zero that actually did vote for Trump for this issue that is mathematically improbable.

People write of the non-voters or the ones (I will accept that these are very small amount) as a non-issue to focus on. But for me even understanding all facets of why they did what they did in light of how it’s currently panning out is to me a better understanding to find out what really went/going on in relation to people and this issue within their decision making particularly because there was a chance it could have been remotely better then what is occurring right now.

Please point out where in my post I said that their vote would have even caused a flip in the election results, there was a group that withheld their vote in protest (not the ones that simply did not vote). So I will say there is no evidence I can produce that they voted for Trump, but the chance of none existing is not zero either. So yes I would like to talk to one of those voters or non-voters in protest to better understand why they initially thought a withholding of their vote in the first place when the worse option was clearly the other option should the election go one way in light of the current votes.

Understanding what went wrong at all levels, and those protesting and withholding their votes was part of that issue. So cannot and should not be ignored if we are to learn from this for the future.

Please see the below excerpt from reddit:

“# CMV: Leftist Single Issue Voters are a massive problem for Democrats. 

Delta(s) from OP - Election

For context, I am a leftist, by American standards at least, and have seriously considered not voting in the upcoming election because of the Anti-Palestine stance taken by the Democrats. That said, I have realized how harmful of an idea that is for the future of our country and for progressive politics in general. The core issue with Single Issue Voters is that they will almost always either vote Republican or not vote at all, both of which hurt Democrats“

Also link to an article that shows there was in the very least uncommitted voters because of this. Yes, I will admit it does not mean they actually voted for Trump but their inaction caused the same result even if they did vote for Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/uncommitted-campaign-democrats-gaza-election

So let allow me to correct my initial statement here for you, I would like to meet to talk to those who withheld their vote because they thought to make a statement about the genocide in Gaza in the light of the current Authoritarian administration.