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Sounds like justification for some overwhelming force for the police, to me.

They were both in 1959, but Hawaii was later in the year.

You mean aside from all the founding fathers in jars?

Hey now, it was slightly more than a third, not half!

Isn't the implication that he's saying Tesla will fail if America fails, not that America will fail if Tesla fails? He's basically saying he has tied his fortunes to America's future, not necessarily the other way around.

Analyzing it is complex, but the behavior itself is more instinctual. I think Kevin feels the difference, but doesn't think about it rationally.

I do think categorizing Steve's comments as "wrong" vastly oversimplified the exchange, though. He's pulling the emotional argument Kevin is making into a rational one, which is the point of the exchange.

Yet you support capitalism, which is a dictatorship of capital over people.

No, just suggesting that people take charge of their future instead of just assuming that the system will work itself out. The best system is the one that encourages people to not only look out for each other, but also criticize and question each other. And do so freely without the need for financial backing to do so.

That only happens when people decide to work together for their goals, even if they occasionally have to work towards someone else's instead of their own. Which is entirely possible, no matter how dim a view of others one might have.

So don't support dictators :)

All arguments are semantic arguments if you're pedantic enough.

But your "fair and balanced" puts all the onus of clean up on the next person. Kind of like how parking far to one side of a parking spot puts all onus of creating enough space for people to get out of their car on the next person.

It's passing the buck because you can't be bothered to clean up after yourself.

To be fair 🤓 since it's mostly theoretical, any definition of communism is going to be in flux as it has not achieved a shelf-stable real life application yet.