baronvonj

Either party leadership will realize the error of its ways or it won't

The ousting of old leadership in favor of new has already started with a progressive from Minnesota being elected DNC chair and David Hogg elected Vice Chair. And it happened because enough people who cared voted for it.

Kookie means it's unlikely to succeed because it requires a group of grifters to make their grifting illegal.

How do you propose getting better candidates with a chance of winning* on general election ballot?

* Fewer than 1% of legislative offices at the state and federal level are held by independent or third party candidates. Zero 3rd parties were on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024 (only three were in more than 10 states). There have been zero Electoral College votes to third party candidates since 1968 (including when Perot won almost 20% of the national popular vote). So if your suggestion is 3rd parties then you're going to have to show your work on how to make any of them viable before the 2026 primaries.

Allegation: the DNC exhibited overt favoritism in the primary process to ensure Hillary won the primary. Your response: but Hillary won the primary, therefore she won the primary!

I've never argued that the DNC hasn't played favorites or that the primaries are all totally fair and equitable. My point is always that the only way to get the nomination is by winning the popular vote, because a lot of people seem to think that it wouldn't matter and someone else would be nominated anyway. We certainly won't win by sitting out the vote, because all they've learned from that is they don't have to campaign for your vote to win. Third party and Independent legislators hold fewer than 1% of the legislative seats at the state and federal level, so that's not a viable option. The only thing we have is to all just fucking show up and vote.

So we didn't have a primary because Biden was the presumptive nominee

The hyperbole does you no favors here. Every state held a primary. Two did not have the presidential race on their ballots (I think Florida and Delaware). In Texas there we 9 presidential candidates on the Democratic primary ballot. I know you really really really want that to be the same as not having a primary, but it isn't (except for the one race in those two states). Blame the fact that most of them were a joke on the better candidates who chose not to run.

Right, and we get around it by showing up in numbers to vote. But of course people need to actually step up and run for the nominations, too. I'm eager to see how David Hogg's funding efforts pan out.

They railroaded Clinton into being the 2016 candidate and appointed Harris as the 2024 one.

Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 primaries. Nonratfuckety was needed. No superdelegates needed to cast a single vote at the convention because she had enough pledged elected delegates. The party even changed the rules starting in 2018 so that superdelegates don't even get a vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can't elect a nominee in the first round of voting.

The DNC leadership doesn't care what their constituents actually want.

Which is why we have to actually show up and out-vote them instead of losing elections to "teach them a lesson" which hurts us more than it does them.

Uncoincidentally, that's why said leadership needs to be replaced.

Yes indeed. And the DNC leadership elections after the last election have finally started that shift towards more progressive leadership (notice that the leaders are voted into office, that and people had to participate in that vote, it's kind of a theme here 😋).

The other half of it that everyone ignores is there actually has to be a better candidate campaigning for the nomination. Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries, but inspired more progressives to campaign, and we got the squad out of it. People need to run, and people need to vote, or you get the status quo with donor-preferred candidates.

Show me when a primary candidate won the popular vote and then wasn't nominated.

Just because you don't like the outcome, doesn't mean the process wasn't followed.

We had primaries and nobody serious wanted to run against the incumbent president. Biden won the primary. Then he dropped out due and the delegates pledged to Biden (and elected by the primary voters) elected Harris as the nominee in the convention. Maybe you can show me when in the history of the USA a running incumbent president lost the primary, or even when any serious challenger campaigned against them in the primary.

So vote in the "Not Perfect" parties primaries to get better candidates nominated, and at the same time work on getting a ballot initiative for ranked choice voting.

The first past the post system will still spoil the vote with more than two candidates. The solution is ranked choice voting.