dogmuffins

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[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

This is happening all over reddit.

Mods are posting all over the place saying "I have to bend over for the admins because if I don't they'll find someone else who will".

You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don't have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit's not about to die but it's best days are in the past. I wouldn't want to be a part of the future of reddit.

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I came to beehaw because it seemed to very welcoming

I think they're trying to preserve that

users desire freedom to choose how they want their online experience

This hasn't curtailed that freedom in any way. You can sign up at one of many other instances (lemmy.ml for example) and interact with beehaw and lemmy.world and wherever else. In fact you might say this move affords additional freedoms for people to choose their own experience because beehaw will be free fro mthe noise coming from the instances they've defederated from.

I can only see this hurting beehaw in the future

This assumes that the objective is continued rapid growth. Like every instance wants to be a reddit alternative. The opening post pretty much says that's not the objective.

I would also add that you seem to have overlooked the difficulties OP mentioned in administrating the instance. That's easy to do coming from commercial sites where people are being paid. It sounds like there are four people who have a little experience, but very little time and resources to spend running the site. Additionally as they said in the post they're running into the limitations of lemmy's ability to moderate a large community. One of the fundamental characteristics of volunteer contributors is they're free to curtail or discontinue their services at any time. I saw one of the admins of beehaw in another post say that it's been more than a full time job over the last few weeks, on top of all their existing full time jobs. Imagine you'd poured 80 hours over the last fortnight into supporting a community, then telling that community that it's not sustainable, and that community saying "I can only see this hurting [...] hopefully this is a short misstep"

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

They're on lemmy.ml, not even on any of the effected servers.

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well it's a link aggregator and forum, just like reddit, but I feel like lemmy needs time for its own culture to coalesce - rather than expecting reddit culture to be imported or just exist here.

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I appreciate I’m likely preaching to the choir here

Yeah but it amazes me how many people just don't get it. People on reddit looking for an alternative... "let's go to lemmy", "nah there's lefty weirdos", "ok let's go to ", "ok this is gonna work out great!"

 

While I'm not interested in encouraging /r/selfhosted users to leave reddit, I thought it would be good to have some discussion around the possibilities for a selfhosted community on lemmy.

It looks as though most users are washing up in !selfhosted@lemmy.ml, but this is but a temporary refuge in these troubled times. The single mod is not responsive, lemmy.ml is already struggling with load, and the background lemmy.ml community may not be right for us. If we set up shop here we're just going to have to move, probably sooner rather than later.

So if we move, do we create our own instance or move to an existing one better aligned with our needs?

Given that there don't seem to be any instances which are really ideal, the remaining advantages to choosing an existing instance is simply that we rely on someone else's infrastructure (and the associated time, skill, and responsibility). This is a significant advantage which makes this option tough to pass up, but the equally significant disadvantage is that we don't get our own place. It's like renting a room in a frat house rather than building our own mansion.

The remaining option is to create our own instance. If we were to go this route, in my opinion it is critically important that the responsibility for this be shared amongst several people. This dramatically reduces the odds that someone loses interest, or lacks the resources to support the community long term. While I'm certain that everyone in this sub could spin up an instance, we all know that providing high availability to potentially thousands of users is not something to be undertaken on a whim. There's a significant risk to the community in allowing someone to take this on themselves.

I think fosstodon (mastodon) with several admins is a good model of how something like this can work. I also think it would be a good idea to broaden the subject to FOSS rather than merely self hosting.

So the questions are...

Do you think we should create & support a community on an existing instance, or create our own instance?

If an existing instance then which one?

If a new instance then how would you like to see it operated?

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's an important lesson in impermanence.

The net will always have good bits and bad bits, but they won't always stay the same.

[–] dogmuffins@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I guess it depends on your definition of "self hosting" but I'm in the process of migrating a lot of my services to a remote vps on vultr. It doesn't make much sense to have a big, hot server running at home that needs capacity to cope with peaks but isn't used 99% of the time.

Sharing server resources with other virtual servers is the most significant least pain to benefit ratio action I can think of.

All that will really be left at home is a torrent client and gerbera (upnp) instance which can happily run on a NUC with an nvme. gerbera won't do any transcoding so the load is negligible.