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Because it's a sound principle.
Genociding tens of thousands of people, half of whom are children, is not self defense.
In my country we have a law that self defense has to be proportional and you are only allowed to use enough force to stop the attack.
It can't be like "the guy down the street threw a rock through my window so I go and kill his whole family in their beds".
I'm glad that you don't support collective punishment of Palestinians.
That's the common ground between you and me. Where we disagree is in what steps to take to stop it. I'm so old that I boycotted Apartheid and later had the very moving experience of being thanked for my country doing that by people who had lived through it.
From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now. In recent years sanctions have been used to halt an attempted genocide in Ethiopia and to weaken the power of the genocidaires in Myanmar. It's actually usually only when superpowers (China, USA) stand in our way that they become less effective.
They did protest Hamas before the war. I can't tell if you're lying on purpose or just ignorant about Gaza.
On July 30, thousands of people throughout the Gaza Strip took to the streets demanding better living conditions, in a rare display of public anger against the Hamas regime. The following Friday, August 4, hundreds of people rallied again in various parts of the enclave.
Popular discontent with the Hamas regime in Gaza has been simmering for years. Since the group wrested control of the coastal strip from the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority in 2007, large-scale protests have taken place on several occasions, most recently in April 2015, January 2017 and again in 2019. Each time, protests were repressed by Hamas security forces and did not lead to any significant changes for the local population.
Here's Human Rights Watch in 2019 reporting on the violent way Hamas suppressed protestors with beatings and arrests:
The crackdown isn’t an aberration. In October, we published “Two Authorities, One Way, Zero Dissent,” a report showing that Hamas authorities routinely arrest and torture peaceful critics and opponents with impunity. We found Hamas often holds detainees for short periods, sometimes just hours, but during that time taunts, threatens, beats, and tortures in order to punish critics and, apparently, to deter them from further activism.
Immediately after Hamas was elected in 2006 there were protests and violent reprisals. Surely you should know this.
Edit: Btw, Gazans voted for Hamas, too.
Interesting point. Far fewer Gazans voted for Hamas compared to the number of Israelis who voted for the current genocidal government of Israel.
Let's see... the median age in Gaza on Oct 7 was 18. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. That means half the people now in Gaza weren't even born yet.
Of the 50% who were alive then, only around half were of voting age in 2006. Therefore 25% of the current population were eligible to vote in 2006.
According to Wikipedia, turnout in Gaza was around 74%. 74% of 25% = 18.5% In other words, just 18.5% of present day Gazans actually voted at all in the last election.
In that election Hamas won 46.5% of the vote, winning in North Gaza, losing in places like Rafah.
So the number of Gazans who actually voted for Hamas is probably somewhere around 10% and mathematically can't be above 18.5%.
If you don't support sanctions against Israel on the grounds that not everyone voted for this then you shouldn't support Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians either.
Then Israel will have a strong incentive to stop the Gaza Genocide and trigger the end of the embargo long before it runs out of military equipment.
That's how sanctions work.
My guess is probably what's happening with these 4-account people is they have them all open at the same time in different browsers, and since they only use them to upvote one account's post submissions they just have to follow that account.
That explanation makes more sense!
I feel like people who have an uncontrollable fight or flight urge to make physical contact with potentially venomous creatures are probably slowly taking themselves out of the gene pool though.
The legs would tickle like crazy.
Really weirded out by how many people in here are talking about hitting it, like that's a normal or okay response to a big spider on someone.
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If it's a non fatal blow that's the best way to get a spider to bite that person.
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If it's a fatal blow then now the person has spider guts smeared all over them.
It's just.... there's nothing good about doing that. Either flick it off or use a piece of paper to remove it.
Thanks, have updated my link.