redwattlebird

Well, I'm in Australia so I would try and communicate with the indigenous population and teach them how to defend themselves against the upcoming colonist invasion and take advantage of what they have to offer, starting with forcing a signed treaty.

I don't consider different eras as different nations though. I think that's splitting too many hairs. I see a nation as a country that is generally united and governed by a leading entity.

Going back to the Japan example, I would consider them a nation when all the clans were united under one rule. Same with UK, India, Thailand etc.

I dunno, I'm pretty sure Japan is older.

On a separate note, I just installed a Linux partition on my laptop to dual boot since I still need windows for AGI32 and Autodesk. Next weekend, I'll be shrinking my windows partition, move my files to a new partition and mount it in Linux so I can access files both ways.

Feels so good to have absolute control of my computer again.

I'm glad I got out when I could because Recall is such a dodgy 'feature'.

As a non American, I keep seeing this excuse and I'm always gobsmacked.

Bad candidate compared to... Trump?

You lot sure know how to pick them (or not, as it were).

What if... All systems are inherently corrupt because of human nature and we just have to choose the best one of the crappy lot to survive and that's definitely not crony capitalism?

Jokes on them! I got rid of windows last week and now have Linux Mint on my PC! It's great! All my games run and I've set up my own screenshot shortcut in a way that I want. Installing software through terminal commands is also a lot of fun.

But a cloned human is an artificial intelligence.

No, it's not. Artificial intelligence is something that is artificially created, like a machine, that can think like a human. A human clone is human, literally.

I think we're both standing from extremely different points of view here on what AI, that is artificial intelligence actually is. But I concede that my statement about it being impossible to create is hyperbolic. We're can't say for certain that it's impossible.

I know that form of ai is not what you are referring to, but why not?

... Because... It's wrong.

I wouldn't call investing power and resources to replicate human capability progress. It's literally going backwards and rebuilding from scratch. Is this line of research honestly worth pursuing at the cost of our climate and environment? It's the same with the Wright Brothers; their technology paved way for increased consumption of resources and rate of spread of disease.

Yeah we get brand new shiny things but at what cost? Is it worth it in the long run? Is it worth automating human capability when we've messed up every single step of our planetary ecosystem?

I would much rather live in a world where all the effort and resources that is currently put into 'AI' redirected into sustainable systems. That, to me, is progress that is worth pursuing.

Art can be automated, nature does it all the time.

Ok, first off: what is your definition of automation? This is what I mean when I say automation.

Nature does not automate art. Are you equating the process of, say, almost all bower birds make bowers, therefore that's automation? Then you have a poor understanding of what automation, art, and therefore AI/LLM, is meant to achieve.

With art, you need to think about the state of mind to create that piece in the first place. Before it was created, it doesn't exist in any capacity. Why the art piece exists in the first place is the reason why AI cannot automate it because human emotions are very complex.

If an AI/LLM can experience human emotions, we've essentially created another type of human. This is deeply profound and, with the technology and materials we have now (that is, the processing chips and hardware), it is simply not possible. We're at the point where we're making small, tiny leaps in gains.

Which leads me to...

It's a prototype, but its also a hardware issue. Soon there will be much more efficient designs and i suspect a rather significant alteration to the architecture of the network that may allow for massively improved efficiency.

It is not a software/coding issue that limits an LLM's capability to emulate the human psyche. Again, it is not tweaks in code structure that will send us rocketing up the graph of progress. It is the limitation of the actual materials that we use and their maximum efficacy, hence why we need nuclear reactors and so on to power thousands of processors. We will never get to the point of replicating human ability and energy efficiency with the materials that exist in Earth. And, are we going to spend more energy and resources to look to the stars for a material that may or may not exist to create a machine that has the capability to think as a human?

How long did humans take to evolve to the capacity we have? That took hundreds and thousands of years of trial and error. But I digress...

Its inherit to capitalism.

Absolutely agree. The whole purpose of this 'AI boom' is to make more money for the <1%, steal from us and hoard it for themselves. On this basis, I completely reject the use of LLMs. Fuck AI.

The issue isn't automation itself. The issue is the theft, the fact that art cannot be automated and the use of it to further enshittification.

First, the models are based off theft of OUR data and then sold back to us for profit.

Secondly, most AI art is utter crap and doesn't contribute anything to human society. It's shallow slop.

Thirdly, having it literally everywhere while also being completely energy inefficient is absolutely dumb. Why are we building nuclear reactors and coal plants to replace what humans can do for cheap??

Edit: further, the sole purpose of AI is to hoard wealth to a small number of people. Calculators, hammers etc. do not have this function and do not also require lots of energy to use.

I'm gobsmacked.

Honest question and I don't want to antagonise: If it came to it, what would you give your life for?