superniceperson

The source is the fucking article you're commenting on, the one that explicitly states being homeless is a mental illness, being unable to procure food legally is a mental illness, and that all first responders, i.e. cops that are absolutely not trained to deal with mental illness, are the sole arbiters of who gets these holds now.

You're as much of a freedom advocate as Ronald Reagan.

5150 holds are a minimum of 24 and have no maximum. Not 'just' 24 hours. You also have to prove the conditions that caused you to be admitted arent going to happen immediately, which is impossible if you're homeless or were made homeless by your confinement.

To your escalated comment... No shit. That is actual reality and actually what happens. And has been happening. And will likely continue to happen. Even more than non medical prisoners, those forced into hospitalization have such a significantly higher incidence of being assaulted that it's pretty much the same as explicitly damning them to it.

And to your third point, that's my point. Its not just going to be used on the unsightly or dangerous, it is an indefinite hold where you have to prove a negative to get out of; one that has extremely low standards to apply, and one that is applied by people that objectively are not trained to make the determination.

More people are isolated from support systems than ever before in history, and the rapidly rising homeless population across the US is absolutely a counter to your narrative.

We do need systemic reform. We need housing first solutions to homelessness. Not forced 'hospitalization' for anyone too poor to live free and too useless to work for the state as a slave.

Forced hospitalization is, at best, the same as jail, at worst, worse than the worst jails in existence. Let's see how you feel after sedatives and anti psychotics get forcibly put into your system you you statistically get sexually abused by an orderly, see how much unlike jail it is then.

To your second statement, absolutely no part of this proposal limits the action to indigent or houseless persons. If you can't pay your rent on time you, objectively, cannot house yourself. Congrats, you're now in a 'hospital' and have to prove you're not crazy. Something that is famously difficult to do in the best situations as it's proving a negative.

How this bill would be used is not some neoliberal fairy tale wherein only those you personally think should get help are forced to get help; this is yet another criminalization of homelessness that is written vaguely enough to apply to anyone on SNAP or at risk of eviction.

Every cop explicitly deserves to be executed. Anyone punching a cop is only in the wrong because they didn't go far enough.

Its genuinely not. Its a practice of multiple 'churches' like scientologists and some sects of Mormonism.

Edit: For evidence see Leah remni's multiple lawsuits podcasts books, etc. its a real tactic absolutely in use right now if you manage to piss off the wrong people.

Jail isn't better, and this will be used to hunt the poor even more extensively, not just the homeless. A day late on your rent and keep your apartment messy? Congrats, you get a nice vacation under this proposal.

No, I want them to say rapists, or sexual assaulters. Not some men or most men or whatever bigoted excuse they have.

They have a problem with the actions, not the gender of the people that specifically victimized them.

Its not about the oppression dynamics of shit, it's about not prejudging people based on immutable characteristics. Period.

Again, if we're going to include any single type of incident over the life of a person, and then start to discriminate on the common perpetrator, you end up with bigotry regardless of that incident Or intent.

Its not 'not all men' it's 'not even a third of men.' more black people as a percentage of total black people have assaulted someone than the percentage of men that have sexually assaulted someone, so we should look into profiling black people for violence and work to correct the systemic issues that causes black people to be violent, right?

There's a right way to go about solving the problems you're discussing, and they are very real problems, but becoming a pathetic bigot is not the way to go.

Victimization does not give you the right of discrimination based on immutable characteristics, and you are objectively a bad person if you think otherwise. There aren't any valid exceptions to this, and accepting this behavior leads to absolute pieces of shit like jk Rowling.

That's nice and all, but given most men don't sexually assault people it's a little like treating all women as cheaters because you got cheated on, or all black people as thieves because you had an unfortunate encounter.

Sexism is sexism regardless of how you frame it.

Wildfires? Seems more like the barbarians set the fire themselves to get attention. Its God's will then if they spread and really shouldn't be fought. Heck I'm pretty sure Hamas should shoot any un backed aid destined for Israel because it's clear they brought this on themselves and are too dangerous to have aid. Really they can just get themselves out of this situation by just burning to death so why are they even complaining?

Hey so can I have a pic of your id bro?