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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

So a recent post garnered some comments and reports for being AI art. In light of this we should all have a little conversation about how AI generated images should be handled in the future.

I think we all agree that AI images that are "garbage" or don't add anything should be removed, but clearly some feel very strongly that all AI art should always be removed.

It should be noted that the rules as written and as agreed on by the community does not blanket ban AI, it merely says AI art should be avoided, while many other rules say no this or that instead.

Things to discuss:

  • Does it matter if an image is AI? Does it always matter?
  • What about images that are AI generated, but have been modified by a human?
  • What about images where it's hard to say for certain that it is generated? Me and the other mods did not agree on whether the recent image was AI f.ex which makes it hard to make a decision on whether or not to remove it.
  • It can be stressful to artists to be accused of having used AI. If we are too militant on weeding out AI art it could be harmful as there will no doubt be some false positives.
  • Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)

I think a lot of us mods feel that AI should be allowed so long as it is not low quality and serves some purpose (being entertaining f.ex), and that the community should not be flooded with AI. What are your thoughts?

Edit: Thank you all for your input! Most of the others are sleeping right now I think, so nothing is likely gonna happen until later today.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (12 children)

I described authoritarians. Socialists, communists, and anarchists are not tankies unless they defend authoritarian regimes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You and objections have done plenty of vibes based accusations yourself. I'm apparently both a capitalist, an authoritarian, against revolutions, not "woke", etc etc. You're both equally arguing in bad faith. Didn't even mention the warning in your post. You came into our community and defended your auth ideology, got warned, then continued and got banned. Can't complain when it's in the rules and you got warned.

You are right that there is no point in continuing this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Where have I stated that I'm against revolutions? I'm against dictatorship and oligarchy.

Anyways, you've made it clear your not an anarchist despite all your claims. You can't seriously see nothing objectionable with the stuff OBJECTIONS is saying

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Tankies have no class consciousness. If you wanna work with these people then great for you. I've seen a lot of evil opinions from .ml users (the ones that are tankies, not all of them obv.) and I really doubt you somehow have not. We don't have to tolerate them on 196 however.

It's not about purity. Go look at what OBJECTIONS is saying in the other post. They're not a leftist, and they admit their propensity for dictatorship quite eagerly over and over. They're not alone in their opinions on .ml.

Nothing abstract about not tolerating auths.

Edit: It's like that saying about eating dinner with nazis. If you are so adamantly protecting tankies then why should I believe you aren't one.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

My issue was not primarily the anti war stance, but that in combination with staunchly defending tankies. Tankies are intolerant by their very nature (as in their ideology is intolerant), and so Diva was banned for defending the intolerant and for likely being a tankie herself.

Looking over her comments here I am less sure that she is a tankie, but she for sure thinks being one is okay and is really into defending them. Again, the point of the anti-tankie rules is to not give tankies a platform.

[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (8 children)

What a truly dumb argument.

Anyways, like many I consider it solved with the contract of tolerance. You aren't covered by the contract anymore if you go not tolerating people. Any benefits extended to you by the contract only apply as long as you agree to be tolerant.

We also ban for transphobia or for being a fascist. Is that banning all dissent as well?

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Our rules specifically call out supporting or denying any genocide, etc etc. We aren't without nuance. We disallow someone denying the atrocities the CCP commits. This applies to the US as well. We would ban anyone for denying the genocide in Palestine, or for denying that the US dropped bombs on protesting workers etc. The point is that we are banning people for tankie rhetoric, not for having positive opinions on non-western countries.

I don't know why I bother with someone so married to death and oppression.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Do you believe I support capitalism?

Edit: I don't.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'm well aware of what industrialization can achieve

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Yeah I don't quite get this at all. There are some pretty openly vile tankies on the tankie instances. There's one in the other post right now lambasting libertarian socialism and proudly supporting dictatorship. I don't understand why anyone would defend these people.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

You sure put in a lot of effort to call yourself a humble authoritarian. I don't believe there is some magic switch that can be pulled to achieve socialism over night, but a nation that commits all the same wrongs as a capitalist nation doesn't seem like an upgrade of any kind. I'm not going to believe someone suppressing my rights is going to be able to deliver on any promise to implement socialism. I should note I'm mostly talking about states like the USSR and the CCP, and other so called communist states.

Anyways, you can't do anything without unions. Communism won't happen under dictatorship, nor through some "democracy" swamped by capitalism or whatever other horror people can conjure. Change can only be achieved by all of us working together, not under some tyrannical oligarchy or leader.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Why do you cling to the words of old dead men

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