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The democrats know all these things and don’t care. they’re just as much in service to the billionaires as the republicans.
They'd rather lose to Republicans than cross their "donors."
The gravy train runs to both parties as long as they protect this sociopathic grift of an economy from the people it enslaves. The DNC would consider winning on a platform of ending oligarchy (which could only ever happen with a left wing populist that steals the party out from under them like Trump did to the GOP, solely to steal their grift machine in his case) a catastrophic defeat and national crisis on the level we wish they'd treat Trump like.
It's why leaders like Nancy Pelosi make it their mission to sabotage spoiler members (because both parties promote on the basis of being a good bribe getter and taker) like AOC. She spent weeks before Trump was inaugurated making calls to prevent AOC's committee leadership bid. There's the DNC's priorities.
Our whole captured government is a game of neoliberal/fascist-good cop/bad cop. Do you want to waste your life enriching sociopath would be pharoahs with affirmation ribbons or scapegoats? A con game we can't stop playing as we're exploited dry.
Liberals don't care. Socialists / progressives do care. Bernie and AOC have consistently fought to expand class consciousness and to fight against the growing wealth disparity
The "liberals" you speak of are just conservatives larping as liberals
The word for a liberal that cares about class consciousness is "Error: undefined. Did you mean socialist?"
I’ll give Bernie a pass although he’s a milquetoast ineffectual social democrat. AOC is a fraud.
You know, I see people like you saying this stuff and I guess I don’t understand it. WHO are you advocating for to do the thing(s) you want? I would like specific names you would put forward.
I’m not politically educated enough to know who these others are that someone like you would recommend, but I do see a lot of complaining and not enough solutions being presented so that someone like me could learn about them.
Anarchism. I have zero faith in government and my beliefs have only gotten stronger and stronger as I’ve gotten older.
There’s no one in government I trust. AOC is neolib larping as a progressive/ social democrat. They’re all still liberals and don’t actually threaten capital.
Thank you.
I don’t personally think anarchism is the right thing based on the definition of anarchy but I get your line of thinking. A legit real, physical resistance is probably needed.
I have zero faith in our American government as well. They want to status quo and don’t want to give up their power.
There are many different kinds of anarchy, I can assure you the common definition of “chaos” is inaccurate.
And anarchy is achieved by complaining about all government options online?
And what is achieved by voting for democrats? Fascism?
It's a small action to help less get fascism. It's arguably more effective than manifesting anarchism
Well you failed, you got just as much fascism because liberals create the conditions that enable fascism and do nothing to stop it because that would offend their capitalist donors. Read a history book instead of smugly scolding the left for your failures.
People can complain without giving a solution. Just because they don't know what the way to solve it is, doesn't mean they have no right to air their grievances
Unless of course, you also want to control their free speech and dissent from the party is seen as abhorrent for you
I never said I want to control their free speech. I said I wanted to know what their solution was because they are complaining about the solutions that are currently in play.
Someone can absolutely be angry and if there is no solution known and you just need to rant, then just…say that? At least I understand that line of thinking of knowing there is a problem without knowing the answer, but at least admit that.
Sadly it seems like 95% just want to rant.
I don’t know enough about AOC to say fraud or not. But it doesn't actually matter. Trump is the biggest fraud there is. He still is getting people what they asked for (conservative supreme court, abortion stuf...). So AOC could be a fruad and still do what we want for her own gain. So I think she is currently the most likely to pick up the bernie tourch. But the dems establishment will fight against her. So it will be a long short. The republican establishment got caught sleeping with trump. They didn't think he had a chance, and didn't fight hard enough. The dem establishment won't be sleeping at the wheel thanks to that. And dems also have a higher bar for the integrity of thier candidates. So it will be an uphill climb. AOC probably won't even try it.
Isn't AOC a Democrat?
I generally avoid painting them all with a single brush like that.
Some absolutely are bought off like you describe. But an awful lot are not — the big problem we've had is that the contingent of the bought off Democrats plus the Republicans has been enough to block meaningful action, even when the Democrats have had a nominal majority.
I’m tired of the excuse making for them. It’s like sitting at a table of 10 Nazis. Guess what? It’s 11 Nazis.
Problem with that view is that minority of the Democrats were bought off, like about 4%. And they had a hard time winning reelection as a result
Try 99% of them.
If so, it doesn't show up in voting records or rhetoric.
Definitely the party leaders who consistently outperform the S and P
I dislike this comparison because it invokes a circular reasoning / begging the question fallacy:
What we are debating is whether all billionaires are bad. Then you raise a comparison trying to prove they're all bad by associating them with nazis.
But we haven't yet established if the 10 billionaires around a table are all inherently evil or to the same degree to begin with.
Bill Gates or Warren Buffett are not as bad as Musk or the Waltons. At least the former believe they shouldn't exist in the first place. So when fighting fascism we kind of need all the resources we can get.
Gee who’s funding the Nazis right now (and back then)? The billionaires.
I was using the saying because it’s appropriate, but the Nazi comparison is double appropriate.
All?
And do you think no comparative billionaires funded the allied war machine against Hitler, himself?
Moreover can you identify a specific policy compromise where in the absence of support from Tyler Perry, Bill Gates, or Mark Cuban for example, Harris would've performed better in the absence of their support and funding?
Can you please explain how Tyler Perry is as deplorable as Charles or David Koch?
The fallacy remains.
That's what I thought.
The last 3 elections have shown there are only two groups: Republicans and Republicans that get paid less.
I feel like they get paid just as much only put on a fucking costume and pretend to be something they aren’t.
But thank you for your sane comment in a world of complete fucking insanity and denial about what’s really going on.
True. Maybe "Republicans and JV Republicans" is more accurate?
Oooo good one.
Taking bets if there is a 2028 election (there won’t be) the democrats will run Liz Cheney.
Controlled opposition.
But still better than whatever is happening now. I can't imagine a Nazi salute at Kamala's inauguration.
True, liberals are the lesser evil compared to neocons and fascists.
But the top 100 richest billionaires grew their wealth by 63% under Biden so liberalism still inevitably leads to extreme wealth disparities that erode democracy until neo-feudalistic oligarchy is all that will remain
Careful, you will call the centrist fairies to tell you how you are the problem.
Fairies? Hope that’s not a dog whistle for queers because you’re speaking to one.
But yeah, the ~~centrists~~ fascists haven’t learned a goddamn thing as usual.
Republican reich vs republican lite.
Kevin Phillips, the Republican architect of the "Southern Strategy, has a vastly different view. He essentially said, in his book, "American Dynasty", that Republicans think of the working class as dirt to be used however they royally please, while Democrats at least acknowledged that the working class enabled them to be where they are and supported them.
BYTW, Kevin Phillips, who is very politically knowledgeable, is now extremely disillusioned with Republicans and generally hates both parties.
Maybe that was true in 2004 when it was published but it is no longer true. Both see the working class as dirt.
Fortunately there's other parties
As it stands, third-party will never win in the US.
That I voted for despite the fact they’ll never get an ounce of power