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Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.

The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.

“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.

He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.

I really hope you’re happy that your conscience is clean now the guy who’s main spokesman said Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ and who himself declared it ‘could be better than Monaco’, clearly with an eye towards beachfront real estate, has the power to make that happen for his own gain.

This was entirely predictable, and we told you this would happen. Trump told you so himself. The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch, but Kamala absolutely wasn’t looking at the situation as to how she could personally profit through real estate development if the Palestinians were just wiped off the map as quickly as possible. Trump likely had the choicest property mapped out, with property developers already submitting proposals.

If you abstained because of both-sides re Israel, fuck you. You at best were played and at worst helped to play others, and now we ALL get to suffer.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch

Totally.

Enthusiastically helping Israel stack bodies for four years was definitely imperfect.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Of everything I said, that’s the part you decided to focus on?

e: not that trump had said he’d glass the region to build hotels?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I could not care less about what Trump says.

I heard Biden, for four years, wring his hands publicly and pretend to give a shit, all while giving WMD's to Israel every single time they demanded it, in full knowledge they were bombing hospitals, schools and kids.

What I care about is what's actually being done, and in the short-term, Trump's actions are improving the situation. I'm sure his reasons for this are some form of self-enrichment, and I doubt that it will last, but that remains to be seen. Right now, things are better than they were a few weeks ago for the people in Gaza.

Biden allowed the genocide to continue literally to his last day in office, despite all the soaring speeches and public statements he made about peace.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right! If both options are bad, then we SHOULD let the worse one win!

Hurray!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

600-900 aid trucks are entering Gaza every day and the bombs have stopped falling.

Trump talks shit a lot, but until he actually does something the situation now is far better than it was under Biden.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You’re kidding, right? You think that aid is because of trump, when you’re responding in an article that says his stated motives are the opposite of that?

Much of that aid was already secured before he took office. Shit takes time – especially in a war zone. Wait a month or so and get back to me on whether aid from the US continues. The US has been giving aid to many places that will continue for a short while until the new policies filter through.

Listen to what the new moron-in-chief says, and notice that some policies take a bit of time to take effect. Like the US economy, for instance. Large systems don’t turn on a dime.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait a month or so and get back to me on whether aid from the US continues.

Too late.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Palestinians can get aid from elsewhere. They have rich neighbors. We just need the aid trucks to get in and now they are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I certainly hope so.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

They could have gotten that aid in any time they wanted. It doesn't just take time, it takes political will. The trucks were already there and the aid was all ready to go, they just had to be let in the border by the Zionist entity. They needed a ceasefire.

I'll definitely be watching what happens over the next weeks and months, but how about we actually do that instead of catastrophize every time the moron in chief says something stupid that he can't enforce? Forcing Egypt and Jordan to take 1.5-2 million refugees is about as likely as Trump actually annexing Greenland. This shit isn't happening.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

The fascists have done an incredible job lulling people into a false sense of security with "Trump just says outrageous things to trigger the libs he'll never actually do anything".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Agreed 100%. If all Democrats do for the next four years is scream the sky is falling then they will lose even more voters in 2028. You don't run a pro-genocide candidate & parade around with the Cheney's if the sky is falling. That is called trying to lose.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They will double down and keep screaming the sky is falling and whoever disagrees with them will be labeled Nazi/Fascist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bold move to assume there will be an election.

They're already legislating for Trump to get a third term. Do you think that will be a third chance to run, or him just being handed a term?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate?

What about Trump's arrival / Biden's departure has enabled 900 aid trucks to start rolling into Gaza every day ?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The ceasefire? Before that, basically no aid was coming in.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You mean the pointless political charade to try and make trump look good as he proceeds to further enable and promote the genocide?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The genocide, at the moment, has entered a new phase without bombs or starvation. Let's be clear: the genocide didn't start on Oct 7th and it didn't end with the ceasefire. Israel has always been a genocidal entity. We are just in a less violent phase.

But even if this ceasefire is political it's hardly a "charade". It's a real ceasefire! It's really saving people's lives! Without it, I don't believe Gaza would have survived the winter - too much sickness and starvation. People are living right now who would otherwise be dead.

Until Trump actually does something the situation is better now than it was under Biden.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's fascinating how the situation in Gaza is objectively better (for now), and you sound almost disappointed because it wasn't Joe Biden who achieved it. (And in fact, Joe kept the genocide going until the very last day of his presidency.)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The ceasefire was agreed under Biden, before the inauguration... Biden is not good for Palestine, but Trump is not better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, but it was pressure from Trump that achieved it, because when Israel told Biden to jump, he did as he was told.

Hence why he earned the moniker: Genocide Joe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pressure from Trump?? What reality do you live in lol

When Israel tells Trump to jump he says here are all the weapons I can give you and more. Biden sucks in this situation, Trump actually wants people to suffer so the Christian evangelicals stay happy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I 100% believe there's a side deal here that benefits Trump personally (because every decision he makes as POTUS will be, in part, to monetize it for himself), but grift is 100% preferable to continued genocide. It's not even a contest.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yes that is true, we can agree on deals that personally benefit trump but like ... The genocide stopped? That news hasn't seemed to hit my news feeds. Seems a lot like Israel is still killing indiscriminately in the West Bank and Gaza. They just took a break from large bombs- but I keep seeing stories about snipers in Gaza killing Palestinians and in the West Bank they're destroying roads and infrastructure with bulldozers, so seems like business as usual from what I'm seeing.. this deal isn't even for a lasting ceasefire, so when the big news corps move to whatever absolutely insane things Trump does next, that deal will end and they'll continue to drop 2000lbs bombs on civilians that the US will provide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pressure from Trump?? What reality do you live in lol

Yes, pressure from Trump. Listen to Democracy Now from the 16th which covers this.

This ceasefire deal was the same one proposed by Biden in May of last year. Hamas agreed to it, but Netanyahu did not.

What changed? Trump put his foot down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fascists love to align with fascists. But let's be honest here, Trump has no idea what his feet are doing

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How is it possible that you believe trump (who wasn't in office and had no diplomatic team) achieved the ceasefire, when it was the Biden admin that had been negotiating it for months? The guy who just outright called for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza, you think he's the reason they have a ceasefire? Please revisit your propaganda sources and find something more aligned with reality.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It's literally on CNN & the Biden administration admitted Trump's convoy sealed the deal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

How is it possible that you believe trump (who wasn’t in office and had no diplomatic team) achieved the ceasefire,

The Biden admin hasn't done anything except send WMD's when told.

That's it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but it was pressure from Trump that achieved it

Yea sure, in 7 days Trump took a break from signing a shitload of exec. Orders on stage and threatening Greenland and Canada to pressure israel to do anything other than "clean out gaza".

You're disgusting. You're a genocide enabler and supporter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Obvious propaganda is obvious. Maybe not to you I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Genocide and Genocide++, if you admit those are the two major parties in the US then why do you blame people like me who voted third party?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Because it’s an effective vote for Genocide++

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There’s a chance that Trump can terminally weaken the US. He can’t wage a war on the entire world. The Democrats were focused on destroying the Middle East. The Republicans are less focused and more chaotic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And why can’t they wage war on the world? What are we gonna do about?

And seems Trump is laser focused on erasing Palestine and giving his donors everything they promised.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

There we go, you're being HONEST!!!

YOU SACRAFICED PALESTINE FOR A CHANCE AT WEAKENING YOUR PERCEIVED ENEMY.

honestly you are the most vile type of cretin.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hamas is 150% an openly terrorist militia and you've genocide more than Biden could in his lifetime.

Do they have ieds strapped to children on your moral highground?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.

Sound like you still haven't acknowledged the ongoing genocide or understand what is going on in gaza. There's no such thing as genocide or genocide++ the same way there's no holocaust or holocaust++. People who chose not to support any scum with blood on their hands have no guilt, they did the correct thing. Assuming you supported the red and blue parties you have more guilt than everyone else, you gave your vote to murderers. Instead of telling you to go fuck off like you did i'm going encourage you to document yourself on what's going on in gaza and how governments worldwide are allowing it to happen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn't vote Harris.

Sitting on the sideline with your thumb up your ass wasn't going to somehow give us Mr. Rogers as president.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn’t vote Harris.

Think with your own head. People didn't got their rights and freedom by supporting the lesser evil ruler. If the choice is between two murderers the correct thing to do is to be against them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All this finger wagging because people criticized democrats sending billions in weapons which were used in the genocide? Somehow it's protestors fault in this scenario.

The degree to which you bend over backwards to support the legitimacy of a system where BOTH SIDES of the two-party system fully support israel is astonishing. You speak of others getting played, yet here you are getting played into thinking you can make a difference in a government that has fully supported israel since its establishment regardless of who is in power.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=enb4WxWeH-Q

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

All this finger wagging because people ~~criticized democrats~~ ENABLED TRUMP TO FINISH THE GENOCIDE

Can you even read?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What was Biden or Kamala gonna do better than this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

But they were doing this. They were supplying and defending a genocidal carpet bombing campaign for over a year.