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Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles (www.cnbc.com)

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Norway is on track to become the first country to eliminate gasoline and diesel cars from new car sales, with EVs making up over 96% of recent purchases.

Decades of incentives, including tax breaks and infrastructure investments, have driven this shift.

Officials see EV adoption as a “new normal” and aim for electric city buses by 2025.

While other countries lag behind, Norway's success demonstrates the potential for widespread EV adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm gonna need a source on that one chief. If you account for the extremely unclean energy used to mine, process and ship the raw materials for EVs they are absolutely not cleaner for the environment than current efficient ICE vehicle production. To be clear they both create a ton of pollution during production but this claim that EVs are magically cleaner is a crock of shit.

The main difference is we have been producing ICE vehicles for a long time. We have (mostly) ethical mining for the resources required and the whole process has been streamlined over the last 100+ years.

Just because you've shifted the pollution from on your street to some poor kids in the congo doesn't mean you're suddenly "clean".

I'm not saying that we need to stay using ICE forever or that EVs are inherently evil. Simply that as the EV market currently sits they are not the clean green machines people often want to pretend they are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31joJUU4X-g fairly early in the video.

I'm not even going to start debunking your arguments because they're such assumptions it's laughable. What are you even on about? Kids in Congo? Get a grip mate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara

Feel free to do your own research at any point. The materials required for the massive batteries in all those EVs have to come from somewhere and they generally are obtained through slave and child labor in third world countries.

Also your "source" is a privately run show from a former actor and comedian who really likes EVs and he gathered an audience that donate money to him through patron to keep the show going. That's a biased source if I've ever seen one. Of course the guy who makes a living in the EV space is going to do nothing but sing the praises of the Almighty EV.

I feel it bears repeating I am not even again against EVs. I simply do not care for how the EV super fans talk about their stuff. They always seem to pick and choose whatever information is convenient for them and their favorite tech while conveniently leaving out anything negative.

I do believe electric will be the future. We just have some problems to sort out on the energy density side of things. Battery technology still just isn't quite ready and even if we sick with lithium we need to find a better way to get the materials required.

Edit: spelling

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

LFP

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

they generally are obtained through slave and child labor in third world countries.

Isn't that for pretty much everything?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yes and no. It depends on what material you are specifically looking for.

For the grand majority of materials needed in an ICE vehicle we have had "ethical" sources for everything for awhile now. Which makes sense the industry has had 100 years to clean up its image as much as they cared to.

The materials needed specifically for large lithium batteries are still currently gathered primally in places where human rights aren't even considered. People are working on getting that changed, but last time I checked it was still really bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They are cleaner. The EPA literally calls this "Myth #2" because so many people like you repeat it ad nauseam. https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2

here are some more links: https://www.cotes.com/blog/greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-ev-vs-ice-vehicles https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/01/do-electric-cars-have-problem-mining-for-minerals https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

David Bott, the head of innovation at the Society of Chemical Industry, said: “The real thing people forget is once it has been mined, you will end up being able to reuse 80-90% of the metals. You don’t have to go back to the planet to steal more minerals.”

funny quote from one of them:

And the alternative will not mean less mining. Caspar Rawles, the chief data officer at Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, said: “It always makes me laugh. OK, the mining of EV [materials] is harmful. Where do you think your car now comes from?”