politics
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
view the rest of the comments
Are you specifically concerned about illegal immigration, or just immigration in general? Because if it's the former, that's a silly distinction because the government (we the people, aka Elon Musk) decides what is illegal or not. If the next wave of politicians decides we should have actually open borders, then there would be no such thing as "illegal immigration".
Do you have specific examples in mind where immigrants are exploited? If you do, look at those examples and ask yourself: "could we pass laws to protect these people from abuse?", and you'll find that the answer is obviously yes.
Maybe your definition of "abuse" is that they need to work harder to earn less? Well, that's the society we live in. Capitalism has its problems, but it has worked good enough for us for the past 248 years. For the immigrant, US minimum wage is likely far better than whatever they received in their home country, and I suspect most would happily take that deal. I think that's what they'd call "the American dream", as their children will be able to go to school and have a better future than they did.
...If your issue is with immigration in general, then I don't know what to tell you. That's entirely opinion based, and nobody knows what the correct answer is (despite what they might claim). 100% open borders has risks, 100% closed borders has risks.
I guess I'm just silly for thinking breaking laws to get into a country is a bad thing.
Bro did all the thinking for you and you still can't grasp it smh
Right, he made the great point that maybe we could pass laws to protect people we dont even know are in the country. That makes a lot of sense. Illegal immigrants are a protected class now!
I'm frustrated that everything trump does gets misrepresented to the point where people are just shouting random fears into the void. Apologies for refusing to jump to conclusions like the rest of the circle-jerkers on this platform.
I am opposed to quite a lot of what trump does but kicking people out of the country who didnt arrive legally isn't one of them, because I simply can't think of a reason why people who broke into the country deserve the right to stay.
You lack empathy. And you need to understand that you are only a victim here for being a sociopath, not for simply discussing trumps actions.
And you lack a coherent response, unless you think name-calling is effective. Good thing all of you taught my why I was wrong.
You're not engaging in any good faith arguing here. I made a good faith argument that your focus on the "illegal" label is arbitrary and pointless, and even invited a discussion on immigration in general, but instead you came back with some terrible takes and snark. I can't tell if you're a troll or a bot.
Is that why you came here? To have people teach you why you're wrong? Because if you already know you're wrong, why are you spending so much effort arguing against people telling you what you already know? It's Saturday dude, spend it with friends and family, not bitterly debating politics with strangers on the internet.
So you don't care about immigration, you only care about the "illegal" aspect of it? Does that mean you're pro-immigration reform, so that more people can immigrate to the US without "breaking laws"?
I seem to remember there's a word for people who feel that all laws must be followed no matter how unjust. I think it starts with an F.
I have no issue with people immigrating legally.
Good to know! I also hate illegal immigration, which is why, at least on this issue, I'm voting for democrats for the foreseeable future. The republican party is hell bent on increasing the amount of illegal immigrantion in this country, and I just can't support that. Of course, the dems would never go so far as to eliminate illegal immigration completely (by adopting open borders), but I'm confident they're at least more open to finding a middle ground that makes most people happy.
Could you give more detail on why the republicans are going to increase it? Are they doing it on purpose?
I'm not going to keep explaining it to you. If you still don't get it, try asking ChatGPT to summarize this thread for you.
So, you believe in imaginary lines drawn on maps that allow people to justify the persecution of others simply because they walked a few feet in a specific direction?
In some contexts yes.