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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 70 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Unfortunately, you do need money for like 2/3rds of those

[–] passepartout@feddit.org 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And people for the other 1/3.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And how do you buy people if not with money

[–] SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

where are you buying your people?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's just say it isn't as easy as it used to be

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just go to Dubai, they'll get you all sorted out.

Yeah I had thought that it was (probably, in some ways or places) easier than it had ever been before with the internet and rampant unchecked capitalism. but history has many vicious twists and dark moments not recounted through time and people have almost certainly been much cheaper or sold in far greater numbers into slavery in prior centuries. so maybe we are continuing to soften up as a world shaping apex species and gradually becoming more considerate towards one another as our concept of a “tribe” or “in-group” continues to widen.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

Money isn't everything but with no money at all, there isn't much left

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't win life because you have more toys than the other guy

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But you do lose for not being able to afford bare necessities

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

you know nothing of loss if that is your baseline

edit to clarify: if this is your take of the image above, you live a privileged life

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

That's not my take on the image above, that's my response to OP's comment. But feel free to take that out of context if it helps you sleep at night

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

...

Did you literally just use "there are fates worse than death" as some kind of comeback to someone saying that not being able afford necessities leads to "losing" (death), as a way to argue that a society that allows this should be improved?

What are you saying? That people not being able to feed and/or house themselves is fine, because there are worse kinds of "loss"?

What the fuck is point of "one-upmanship" around the baseline of suffering? And how is "people not dying" not a pretty good place to start when it comes to what society should try to achieve?

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you took my sentence and turned it into a novel

good job, almost like chatgpt

having been penny less and homeless with my family and surviving because it's what my family does, has always done.

I have heard stories of life from my cousins who were born in Pine Ridge SD (look it up)

they are poor and hungry but I have explained my baseline of losing and being poor. What is your baseline?

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

What? What the hell do you even mean by "baseline"?

Again, what are you saying? You replied adversarially to someone who was making the point that society should be improved so as to not allow things like people starving to death, or becoming homeless. Are you agreeing with them or trying to shut them down?

Are you saying society barely doing anything to help people in such situations is fine, because you survived it? Because that is what it seems like, and my reply is in response to such an utterly insane take.

Society should prevent death and suffering as much as the available resources allow. Who the fuck cares where you draw the line for "good enough"?

If we can do better, then we should.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

That's almost as poetic as it is meaningless

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Some money yes, but an average salary should work for all of them, no?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Average" is a vague definition

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

neither vague nor a definition

average is the sum of a list of values divided by the size of the list.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

Well, if you look at the average salary across the whole world, an overwhelming majority of people doesn't make enough money to survive, so there's that

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

No. If you're going to be pedantic, at least be right.

Average

noun

  1. a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number.

The term average, inherently refers to at least three different ways to calculate the central value in a data set. What you're talking about is mean, but it can also mean mode, or median, and there are other, even, more complicated calculations than those depending on your context.

So yes, average, is an inherently vague and hard to define term.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 month ago

youre right, i take it back

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Idk, generally people mean the mean by average and the median by median, but I get your point. (But I think the term average salary can be ambiguous for other reasons, not disagreeing there.)

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Average salary (that is, the mean) isn't that good of a metric even if you account for region, industry and so on, because just one outlier can easily skew your entire statistics. Median is much more useful in that regard.

Source: me, someone who writes tools for processing and gathering large amounts of confidential employee data, including salaries of wide range of companies across multiple countries.

[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 month ago

ohoho, thankyou ☺️

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

I was under the impression mean and average were used interchangeably, but I'm not a native speaker.

What I meant was mean salary indeed. But median would probably be more adequate.

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

For what of the list?

It also depends on the definition of each, but I mean in a basic sense.