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Thatโs why I never understood the Apple hate. Granted, itโs overpriced for the experienced user and closed-source software, but itโs a far cry from Microsoftโs hold on the market.
We share a kernel for crying out loud. Weโre practically cousins. Lol
Proprietary hardware, anti-consumer practices, idk I can keep going if you want
@disguy_ovahea we don't really share a kernel, but we do share the lineage, so yeah, we are cousins. I hate Mac OS far less than I do Windows. My pet peeve about it is largely political, not technical.
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Apple is responsible for turning khtml into gargantuan webkit whose compile times comprise the most of my Gentoo updates.
@loonycyborg Irrelevant to this conversation.
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khtml my beloved, konqueror's concept is worth so much much more than whatever apple shits out these days
Your mistake lies in using Gentoo
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macOS is a derivative of BSD Unix. Linux was a from-scratch Unix-alike. The fundamental core, including the literal kernel, are different even if they act the same in many ways.
If you're using "kernel" in a non-standard sense to mean "share some common tools, mindset and behaviour" then maybe, but that's stretching the definition a long way from what technical people would expect.
Apple is what Microsoft wishes it could be (minus the difference in market share). That's personally why I won't give Apple any of my money. Really not interested in that locked down ecosystem.
This probably isn't a popular option, but a lot of the recent hate on Microsoft have been standard practice for Apple for a long time.
Windows 10 free update length? 10 years. Mac? 5-7 years.
Baked in cloud backup? Yeah, Apple has been doing that for a while and a lot of things go to the cloud by default. If you have an iPhone or iPad, things you download go to iCloud by default.
It seems like Microsoft is trying to follow Apple's model.
I do get not wanting to support windows 10 anymore. The CPU limitations on Win 11 are very dumb, but it's something Apple has been doing for decades. I will be installing mint on my old desktop.
I give them less grace with OneDrive. That rollout has been very naggy and shitty.
Both being POSIX compatible doesn't make them related, is just a standard way of deploying portable operating systems from the early days.
Mac OS isn't even all that POSIX. I would much rather have Windows or Linux.
You are right, it is not very POSIX compatible anymore. I stopped updating my Mac at Monterey simply because they started doing what seems like a walled garden approach for their operative systems, for the software releases and installing binaries from non-approved sources makes you jump through hoops and is necessary to disable their crap most users won't touch. But this is not even that old, IIRC it started going downhill when Mac OS X Mavericks was released.
Mac OS Mavericks went EOL 5 months ago. I would strongly recommend that you move to something still getting security updates. There are massive security problems with out of date Mac OS
Did you even read that I use Monterey?
You said it in your comment
Yeah, Monterey. Not Mavericks.
Apple is not Linux based