cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/26512687
this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2025
1073 points (100.0% liked)
Comic Strips
16721 readers
1850 users here now
Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.
The rules are simple:
- The post can be a single image, an image gallery, or a link to a specific comic hosted on another site (the author's website, for instance).
- The comic must be a complete story.
- If it is an external link, it must be to a specific story, not to the root of the site.
- You may post comics from others or your own.
- If you are posting a comic of your own, a maximum of one per week is allowed (I know, your comics are great, but this rule helps avoid spam).
- The comic can be in any language, but if it's not in English, OP must include an English translation in the post's 'body' field (note: you don't need to select a specific language when posting a comic).
- Politeness.
- Adult content is not allowed. This community aims to be fun for people of all ages.
Web of links
- [email protected]: "I use Arch btw"
- [email protected]: memes (you don't say!)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
So this was paid for and published by Commintern, The Communist International, also known as the Third International which operated from 1919 to 1943. This was published in the 1930s while Joseph Stalin was in charge.
The fact that some people would post this unironically when the person who sent this message was notorious for the iron-fucking-curtain is beyond stupid.
It’s 2025 today. The messsge is the same but with a different context.
Maybe instead of leaning on the message of fascists you could express your concerns in some other way. One that doesn't degrade yourself in the process. Like making your own comics with your own words.
The communists werent fascist, they were communist.
I didn't think I'd need to say that but here we are.
The 1930s USSR was squarely under the rule of Joseph Stalin, a brutal dictator. It was a time of mass starvation and persecution.
Authoritarian is not fascism. It is a component, but communism and fascism are not even close to synonymous.
There was one famine from mismanagement, and Stalin wasn't a great guy but this shit is really overblown.
The USSR was a fascism because it was a central dictatorship with violent tendencies. The actual definition of the term.
That's not the definition of the term, by any ones analysis. The simplest, original definition is that fascism is state and corporate power combined. Like the US has been for half a century.
yunxiaoli, you've been made a complete fool of.
If you truly promoted socialism you would never support the USSR or the CCP.
And if you knew anything about socialism you'd support the cpc. Maybe not the ussr but we've learned from their failures.
China is a fully socialist state. If you think otherwise you either stopped paying attention to socialism in the mid 1800s, or you don't know enough about China.
I think when most people fantasize about socialism they are thinking of Nordic style and not authoritarian CCP style.
My litmus test is the ability to openly criticize your government. In an open and free society this is allowed.
Any authoritarian society, regardless of economic system, is not in the right track. In my opinion. Then again I only consume western media so maybe the CCP isn't that bad. Can you tell me what happened on June 4th, 1989?
Authoritarian is the word you're looking for, not fascist.
I'm surprised the comments seem to be defending authoritarianism like it's any more acceptable than fascism. "Stalin may have had millions of people killed and fueled the negative reputation of communism world wide for nearly a century, but at least he wasn't a fascist.". I don't seem to understand why democratic social ownership is considered a worse alternative than letting a centralized tyrannical government harm people unchecked.
Yes. And communist, fascist, and dictator mean 3 very different things. I used to think they were synonymous, too, but they’re not.
Communist and fascist are polar opposites. Authoritarian is the extremes of both sides. A dictator can exist at any point in the spectrum, and isn’t unique to any side.
It really does help if we can agree what words mean.
Maybe you sound like a fascist telling me what to say or think and you should eat shit.
lol
Whose definition of fascism are you using? Eco, Griffin? Which elements of fascism did the Soviet state exhibit?
Of Eco’s traits, I only see disagreement being treason. Nothing else particularly matches the goals or praxis of the Soviets. I’m not pro Stalin, but he wasn’t a “fascist.”
Thank you for the context. The desperation about current (fascist) extreme-right politics really makes some people swing so hard towards the left they just end up with another flavour of fascism.
(I know the horseshoe theory is garbage, please don't @ me about it)
The best propaganda is the truth. The capitalist press was and is actively lying to you, and when they do tell a truth that goes against capital interests they get punished for it.
That the Soviets were doing the same thing is just another example of why only anarchists are cool and smart 😎
On the other hand, could you also argue that dismissing something out of hand because the person who made it worked for a publication that aligned itself with a philosophy that was being used by a country that was being led by a bad man, well, kind of stupid too?
No.
This is malfeasance etched into paper. The intent was by people who wished us harm.
Imagine if you started quoting a leader of the KKK because even though hes a hateful violent asshole maybe some cherrypicked quotes seemed innocent. Do you think you would be well recieved?
Brother, capitalists are using the power that capitalism gave them to destroy the planet, public institutions, and democracy around the global and you are still repeating the pro-capitalist / anti-communist Nazi lies from 80 years ago???
The USSR was nonstop greed and corruption, sabre-rattling with Nuclear Weapons until it imploded and gave way to its current capitalist form, fuck off.
Now Russia is nonstop greed and corruption, sabre-rattling with Nuclear Weapons under capitalism, so completely different!
Indeed, their words were empty if not for their malice.
But that isn't the same thing at all. These are not Stalin's words.
If you buy into the McCarthyism "Red Scare" nonsense, then fine, but remember that the only lives McCarthy ruined were those of Americans, and with one possible exception*, all of whom were innocent of any actual wrongdoing.
*Alger Hiss maintained his innocence to his death, and the evidence against him is dubious at best.
— Muammar Gaddafi
But tell us how you feel about Tesla owners......
Tesla was a great company that, as Musk's direct involvement grows, gets worse and worse by the moment. The Cybertruck is basically his version of "The Homer" - a car designed by someone who knows nothing about cars.
I have nothing against Tesla owners - people are allowed to like what they like :)
OP is a tankie, and an exceptionally uneducated one at that.
Yeah lemmy.ml is leaking again
This counterrevolutionary talk will get you sent to gulag.
And revolutionary talk will get you sent to prison to be slave labor for a private prison industry.
The Cheka will send you to the gulag for any talk they please.
Can you tell me an example of someone in the USA being imprisoned for revolutionary talk alone?
[Response copied and pasted from a crosspost that copied and pasted the comment this is in response to]
My current opinion is, a message can be good or bad regardless of the source. That can have exception when there's hidden implication of support for evil deeds (ex. all lives matter). In this case, I can recognize the truth in this message that still resonates today and don't see the implication of support for the entirety of Stalin's actions. Also, bringing up the iron curtain is actual pretty ironic, given that was about isolationism and this comic is (at least on the surface) anti-isolationist.
My current opinion is, don't align yourself with dictators and you won't get called out for promoting authoritarian hellscapes.
Lol that's actually a bad opinion. You absolutely will get called out for promoting authoritarian hellscapes by supporting neo-liberal politicians who are not dictators. You may not agree with the call out, but it will still happen.
Reminds me of this quoted exchange I read in Stalin's biography recently. Situation is Stalin being increasingly irritated with Molotov, his long-time comrade and lashing out at a meeting, in 1941 (before the war)
I'm willing to bet everyone in that meeting almost drowned in the irony but also deathly afraid to say anything
Ad hominem attack - "this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself"
Don't you know that Hitler was against the ad hominem, I can't take serious advice from someone who sides with Hitler
/godwin
Not only are you completely wrong about what fascism is, you are arguing that since the Comintern, an international committee, published a political cartoon, that Stalin personally made and published it single-handedly. This is stupid, there is no way that Stalin could personally run around and do everything the government did in the Soviet Union. That would be a practically superhuman feat.
Ima just leave this here... WaPo OpEd to publish OEd that agree with Bezos