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Fought the Nazis, You Say (lemmy.world)
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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think a tiny bit of nationalism is okay when your country is literally under attack and you have to come together to survive. Nationalism spurred on by imaginary threats is the kind that divides us. I don't mind saying "go Ukraine go!" at a time like this.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree and it's hardly a "tiny bit" when you're literally doing the salute of a literal Nazi Germany collaborator. Also a bit iffy, considering far right nationalists were infiltrating the army, the police and the secret police in Ukraine, torturing communists.

... and even if that all were ok: could we at least not reproduce that stuff when we're not Ukrainian?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never been a (Canadian) patriot, but I'm quite happy to see "buy Canadian" these days -- am I wrong to? It's a way of signalling we don't take $%^& from Trump.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not what this is about, homie.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd call that a tiny bit of nationalism though.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And it's not what I'm talking about.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If your logic can't be applied to more than one scenario then your logic is flawed.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not claiming that it's not applicable. I don't want to talk about a different topic.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No you don't want to talk about it because it completely undermines your point. When you make a logical argument the logic of said argument is certainly not a different topic.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

There were two points intsoduced:

  1. That "Slava Ukraini" is a "teeny bit" of nationalism
  2. That a "teeny bit" of nationalism is ok.

So, to answer both points:

  1. I don't think that it's a "teeny bit" of nationalism to reproduce an ultranationalist parole. If Germany gets a new Chancellor and we all exclaim "Heil Merz!" to wish him the best to lead the nation, I don't think that would be accepted. Not even if Germany was invaded.
  2. I disagree that a "teeny bit" of nationalism is ok. I think that this point was a derailment of the topic. I was talking about reusing paroles with a fascist background. Not nationalism. You canwt argue about Ukrainian nationalism on .world, because everyone will accuse you of being Putin's bottom bitch.
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree and it’s hardly a “tiny bit”

I don't mean to drag this out, but when you said you disagree, what was it that I said that you disagreed with?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree with nationalism and I think it's beside the point, which is why I didn't want to get into it.

Bu, if you insinst: Nationalism is the belief that the interests of the national state align with your personal interests. I think that belief is wrong (at least in a dapitalist nation). One example in how it is wrong is that it dilutes/negates class antagonisms. E.g.: if you "buy canadian", you're actually helping the Canadian bourgeoisie.

Nationalism is also the reason why people believe in killing and/or dying for their nation in a war. I don't agree with nationalism. Not even a "tiny bit".

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well sure, buying Canadian helps the Canadian bourgeoisie. But the point is that it sends a message to Trump. We have to buy food from somewhere -- so surely it's better to buy Canadian?