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Fought the Nazis, You Say (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

After a brief search, this appears to be true. With the caveat the ultimate source seems to be Zelensky himself. The articles I surveyed all referenced interviews and speeches of Zelensky.

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/volodimir-zelenskij-rozpoviv-istoriyu-svoyeyi-rodini-pid-cha-59437

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, the only part I wouldn't trust is the idea the men willingly joined instead of being drafted. I'm pretty sure most Eastern European men can trace their family back to fighting Nazis, except for the ones who were Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

If you had a pulse time to be in the war effort in some capacity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you. Everyone here automatically assuming it's true, because they want it to be, as usual.

So, may well be fact, take with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

.ml tankies: "UkRAInE iS StILl a bUnCh oF NaZIs, rusSSia dID NoThIng WRonG"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah... What they tend to leave out is that anywhere from 100-250k people in Ukraine fought with the Nazi, while anywhere from 6-7 million Ukrainians fought against them, and had some of the hardest fighting on the eastern front.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok boys let's:

rename Ukraine Israel and give this suitless guy money and guns.
And I guess that means the og israel is renamed Ukraine and has to fight Russians.
Step three profit?
World peace?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This comment is batshit insane. I’m for it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just doing my part.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where is Saddam Hussein in this map?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Oh shit. I knew I was forgetting something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hahaha this is gold. Thanks for sharing, made me day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Thats NCD territory right there

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Damn, I’m just constantly impressed at how good of a leader and person this dude is.

Liked him ever since I saw him play the piano with his wang on John Oliver.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

This should be more common knowledge. Why am I just learning about this?

All the talk about “Putin fighting Nazis”. It would have been nice to be able to say, “actually bruh” for years now.

Thank you for this post. I am so mad at myself for not knowing this already.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So that's why they hate him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That and he refused to be a patsy for trump's pack-of-Biden-lies for which he was impeached the first time.

[+] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

6 years ago when this article was written, yeah, there was some trepidation because this phrase was being used by the OUN. But they didn't create it, don't own it, it's not theirs. It's a slogan for broad Ukrainian support.

Hitler drank milk, but calcium is not just for fascists

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So? The Nazis didn't invent the "Heil" salute, or the roman salute either.

Considering that there is substantial concern about fascists in Ukraine, I think it's better not to reproduce Bandera's salute.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bandera's fascist gang also used a red and black flag very similar to the anarcho-communist one (and which you can see today in western Ukraine quite often) and I kinda think it is still ok for Anarchists to use that flag 😅

Things are often not so black and white 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The anarchist flag is both distinct and came before, though. And as I said in the other comment: the Nazis didn't invent "Heil!" or the roman salute, either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's easy to mistake and yes indeed it came before like the other examples. I think the difference is that the roman salute is already culturally not-ok to use, so still using it is an intentional sign. The Ukrainian slogan on the other hand is quite commonly used without bad intend (although most Ukrainians also do not know much about the fascist history of Bandera to be honest).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm wondering why you're still replying, considering that giving historical context of the phrase is apparently forbidden because of "no".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sorry, I don't get you. Edit: ah, because the mod removed the original post? I didn't see that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think a tiny bit of nationalism is okay when your country is literally under attack and you have to come together to survive. Nationalism spurred on by imaginary threats is the kind that divides us. I don't mind saying "go Ukraine go!" at a time like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree and it's hardly a "tiny bit" when you're literally doing the salute of a literal Nazi Germany collaborator. Also a bit iffy, considering far right nationalists were infiltrating the army, the police and the secret police in Ukraine, torturing communists.

... and even if that all were ok: could we at least not reproduce that stuff when we're not Ukrainian?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never been a (Canadian) patriot, but I'm quite happy to see "buy Canadian" these days -- am I wrong to? It's a way of signalling we don't take $%^& from Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not what this is about, homie.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd call that a tiny bit of nationalism though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And it's not what I'm talking about.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If your logic can't be applied to more than one scenario then your logic is flawed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not claiming that it's not applicable. I don't want to talk about a different topic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No you don't want to talk about it because it completely undermines your point. When you make a logical argument the logic of said argument is certainly not a different topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

There were two points intsoduced:

That "Slava Ukraini" is a "teeny bit" of nationalism
That a "teeny bit" of nationalism is ok.

So, to answer both points:

I don't think that it's a "teeny bit" of nationalism to reproduce an ultranationalist parole. If Germany gets a new Chancellor and we all exclaim "Heil Merz!" to wish him the best to lead the nation, I don't think that would be accepted. Not even if Germany was invaded.
I disagree that a "teeny bit" of nationalism is ok. I think that this point was a derailment of the topic. I was talking about reusing paroles with a fascist background. Not nationalism. You canwt argue about Ukrainian nationalism on .world, because everyone will accuse you of being Putin's bottom bitch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree and it’s hardly a “tiny bit”

I don't mean to drag this out, but when you said you disagree, what was it that I said that you disagreed with?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree with nationalism and I think it's beside the point, which is why I didn't want to get into it.

Bu, if you insinst: Nationalism is the belief that the interests of the national state align with your personal interests. I think that belief is wrong (at least in a dapitalist nation). One example in how it is wrong is that it dilutes/negates class antagonisms. E.g.: if you "buy canadian", you're actually helping the Canadian bourgeoisie.

Nationalism is also the reason why people believe in killing and/or dying for their nation in a war. I don't agree with nationalism. Not even a "tiny bit".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well sure, buying Canadian helps the Canadian bourgeoisie. But the point is that it sends a message to Trump. We have to buy food from somewhere -- so surely it's better to buy Canadian?

[–] Thistlewick 9 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, go away. The country is in the process of being slowly invaded by a US-Backed Russia, seeking to turn everything Ukraine into burning rubble with a Russian flag on top of it. And yet you want to start nitpicking the rallying cry for a country in crisis? Your article even throws doubt on your claims.

Why do Americans chant “USA! USA!” At sporting events? Seems a little nationalist to me.