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Mark Carney has been elected as the new Liberal Party leader in Canada with a commanding 85.9% of votes, following Justin Trudeau's resignation.

The former Bank of Canada and Bank of England governor will become Canada's 24th prime minister within days.

In his victory speech, Carney took aim at both Donald Trump and Canadian Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, vowing to maintain Canada's tariffs until Americans "show us respect."

Carney, despite never holding elected office, enters leadership as Canada faces trade tensions with the U.S. and a potential early election. He must secure a parliamentary seat and finalize the transition with Trudeau.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

No, he pushed mass immigration, in order to derive what he calls economic growth as we trade homes back and forth for ever larger sums, as zoning and developer fees prevent new development.

Housing and rents doubled in 10 years as we did 4% population growth and bought 50% of mortgage bonds, all as he was a Liberal advisor. He's a champaign socialist like our NDP, and we have no real worker parties left.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If your rents doubled while your population increase was only 4%, it sounds like immigration wasn't the issue, now was it?

Blaming poor people for the housing bubble is like blaming a fish for the rain. Look up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The problem is nimbyism, sprawled zoning, and large developer taxes used to lower property taxes; which is why matching immigration to housing completions is important, and an obvious thing to do if you care about the poor.

But people downvote criticism of their faux progressives. People got a whole 400$ in dental work as their rents doubled, wholly unfunded and paid with future austerity of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Matching population to available housing... Seems a little cart-before-the-horse. In your opinion what is the motivation to build housing, since we are controlling the demand not the supply?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's always some being built but not ready to go, so depending on the exact requirement in place it doesn't exclude massive growth.

Actually, if it was literally letting in an immigrant family for every empty house on the market, you'd still get prices skyrocketing. To achieve the policy goal of continuing growth without sparking a cost crisis and a backlash, you have to leave room for domestic growth in demand, and maybe the effect of the other various push and pull factors on immigration. How exactly you do that, I don't know. It's probably pretty complicated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Profits are why developers build housing, for consumers its an inelastic good obviously.

We have simply made land costs too valuable via regressive zoning and greenbelt, alongside the slow bureaucracy, poor mass transit. Then you have high developer taxes as I mentioned, which directly erode profit.

When supply is diminished and debt is cheap it becomes a liquidity sponge where supply doesnt increase to match capital, and people speculate on rising values like they do Bitcoin or gold, except with cheaply borrowed money that is insured and a liability to our own government as they buy half of all mortgage bonds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure Carney is onboard with tying immigration to housing. It seems like it's basically just consensus within Ottawa at this point.

[–] vin 2 points 3 weeks ago

To complete your argument, quote the increase in residential real estate too. If there was a >=4% increase in residential floor space and number of units, the problem definitely lies elsewhere

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Our population increased by 10 million during Trudeau. As a homeowner I'm not complaining lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's just 4 million, actually. It was almost 36 million in 2015 and it's just over 40 now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because it increased house prices? I'm a home owner myself but fail to see how that's good for anyone; unless you own multiple properties.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I plan on selling my place here in BC when I turn 40 then I'm going to take over my family's acreage and retire.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Fair enough, must be nice, but you'll be in a small percentage there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, he pushed mass immigration

When? as the head of the Bank of Canada under Harper?!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

where does it say that in the link you posted? looks like just another think tank

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No he hasn't. He was hired in Sept 2024 to advise Trudeau.

Your link is about a Globe & Mail event that Carney was speaking at.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Around Covid, after which we did mass immigration to prop up falling GDP :

Around the same time, in August 2020, Trudeau tapped Carney to serve as an “informal adviser” on the government’s pandemic recovery plan.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/who-is-mark-carney-the-former-central-banker-running-to-be-liberal-leader/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. Carney was briefly a consultant during Covid. Not a decision maker, not constantly advising Trudeau
  2. Population growth greatly stalled during and after covid. Immigration actually helped cover for that.
  3. The state of the housing market has nothing to do with immigration and those who want you to believe it has wants you to be mad at a scapegoat so that you won't look at the real issues.

You keep posting links that you think prove your point but they really don't.

Do I think Carney is the best Canada deserves? Absolutely not

Do I think he's the man that's gonna keep our country afloat during this trade war and stand up to the orange buffoon? Absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
  1. The state of the housing market has nothing to do with immigration and those who want you to believe it has wants you to be mad at a scapegoat so that you won't look at the real issues.

Alright well, that's just silly. Even the Bank of Canada admits its inflated housing.

Carney never said a single thing against mass immigration until Trudeau did, and it was only after the polls turned deeply negative for the Liberals. The Liberals didn't care at all until their polls suffered, even though they ran on fixing housing every single election.

It was done to invert the Phillips curve and prevent a wage price spiral, at the expense of the poor and renters, so I actually assume Carney told him to do it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh. I'm sorry. I guess then pay attention as to how trump's story goes. I don't know now how it's going to go. I hope to be dead by then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Id guess it knocks over Canada's housing bubble they built, and we have a lost decade like Japan due to trillions in misallocated capital.

Its mainly full recourse loans as well, its incredibly irresponsible to do mass immigration and stoke demand to distort the market. Its almost like they wilfully broke our country to push climate policy, I can't see any other way to explain it.