Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don't embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
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Football perhaps, maybe football away games. All the trouble that some hooligans cause abroad. Thankfully football might be too big to fail, but they do give it a bad vibe at the worst of times.
Football? I don't think people think of Nazis when they watch football
Then you need to do a little bit of reading and then come back.
I can do no reading and still be 100% right that people watching football are in large majority not Nazis.
Ah so you're missing the point then. Is it ignorance or purposeful, I wonder.
Maybe you should work on the presentation of your point. Or maybe you should work on your listening skills and try to understand my point?
Or is it purposeful, I wonder?
I'll take your imitation as flattering.
It's the entire point about Nazi appropriation of subcultures that you're missing, not any single point I've made.
Ok, what is my point then?
Good question.
I don't like to put words in your mouth, but it seems to me that your point is something along the lines of "Nazis don't actually steal culture"?
That is the statement, but without my argument.
Nazis didn't steal punk rock. They are not a gang that decides which music genre they will invade. The music was there from the start. Plus, which Nazis are we taking about now? The ones in the American government? The ones in ww2? Someone said nazis are infiltrating miniature desktop games. That's insane. Anime, beer!!!!??? Wtf?
Maybe it's infiltrating literature too, documentaries, movies, leather, skulls, black color, iron, .. all of that I can connect to nazis.
And then I'm getting downvoted. This whole place is insane.
Is it that the whole place is insane, or is it more likely you are wrong? There would have to be some explanation as to why everyone in this whole place has the same wrong idea. As far as I'm aware Lemmy doesn't ask questions about your view on nazi subcultures during sign up so it can't be that. Do you have any explanation for your conspiracy theory, or is it in fact more likely that your view is flawed. Just by logic you should be able to see this.
You might be approaching this question from the wrong angle. Let me restate the argument the OP is making:
Fascism is an ideology which ultimately solely worships power.
To make this palatable for the inevitable powerless from whom they draw their power, the fascists appropriate other ideologies and political viewpoints that are convenient and claim to be ideologically pure when they are not; in this way fascism is a form of populism.
Fascists therefore have to be relatable to the powerless. Culture is necessary. The Nazis were extraordinarily well-dressed for example, and their guns, tanks and motorbikes etc. looked really really cool.
Culture is a form of power. People listen to songs and mull the lyrics. Film changes the watcher. So it is in the best interests of fascists to have a strong message delivered via consumable culture.
FASCISTS ATTEMPT TO INFILTRATE EXISTING CULTURE BY INSERTING PRO-FASCIST MESSAGING INTO ALREADY-POPULAR MEDIA. There are so many examples of this happening that you shouldn't be ignorant of this fact. If left unchecked, fascism will spread through a subculture. See: football hooliganism in Europe, or gun culture in America. An important thing to point out here is that, while not all european football hooligans are fascists, the culture has grown more fascist over time. Same for any fascist incursion into culture.
WE THEREFORE NEED TO PUSH BACK AGAINST FASCIST CULTURAL APPROPRIATION. This is often successful, since people fucking hate fascists. And it's easy to do, because pretty much any song, story, clothing etc is way cooler without the fascist undertones, so just drop the fascist bit and you've got something people will like better. Ask Hugo Boss if you don't believe me.
Now is that any clearer?
My conspiracy theory? Im not the one claiming nazis are infiltrating beer. Please at least say that's a bit ridiculous.
Actually that is a lot clearer yes. I have taken the words stolen and taken over too literally - not a native speaker. Thx.
Did I say Nazis are infiltrating beer? If I did it was a typo, I've not intentionally mentioned beer afaik.
I'm glad i gave you the benefit of the doubt :)