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I think we are beyond that point. 13 of the 14 defining traits of fascism are evident in both partied. The only trait with plausible deniability is fraudulent elections. But its obvious that the rich have subverted every other aspect of our political system with money to the point of legalized corruption and it is in my opinion naive to think they would stop there because democracy is sacred to them and they would keep integrity in elections for our highest office for any reason what soever.
Within the last 10-15 years or so the highest court in Germany decided a case on electronic voting and they ultimately decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional. The reason being that it is impossible to differentiate between legitimate results and fraudulent results for anyone who isn't a cyber security and ot IT expert. And unfortunately i was never able to find this video again but sometime during the 2016 primaries i found a video of election officials testing a vote tabulation machine against their inputed information and the machine completely changed the results. This in tandem with the fact that in iowa sanders supporters outnumbered clinton supporters at their caucus 2 to 1 but clinton was still handed the iowa delegates regardless just solidifies my belief that our democratic processes have been corrupted at every possible instance.
Then there was the princeton study which concluded that the amount of influence one has on the american political system and any piece of policy/ legislation os directly proportional to the amount of wealth you own with regular working class people having a meaningless/ irrelevant statistically near zero influence on any policy regardless how popular or unpopular it may be. Lewis powell was an awful far right corporatist leach who was appointed to the supreme court by nixon in 1972 and did a lot to pave the way for citizens united and the current state of the supreme court but this problem goes beyond the mechanisms of the system itself which have obviously been corrupted by outside corporate influence such as fox news which was established to protect any future right wing administrations from being criticized the likes that nixon was in case of any future scandals that may arise of a similar nature and we see how that went. The roots of the fascist/ corporatist take over of our governemnt can be traced back to the nazi germany, the bush family and the central banking cartel which empowered him and wall street. The business plot was a real Conspiracy where wall street propositioned a highly decorated general (Smedly Butler) to lead a coup and overthrow FDR since they hated his populist left wing policies and the threat to their capital it posed. And butler played along with this coup attempt which was orchestrated by prescott bush and many of the other legacy robber barron families of wall street. He played along up until the final moment where he blew the whistle and ended up testifying to congress and the house unamerican activities committee but unfortunately they did nothing likely because they were paid off not to. And although this coup attempt wasn’t successful then and FDR served 4 terms as the most popular president in all us history they quickly worked to prevent this from ever happening passing the 22nd amendment to limit presidential terms to 2.
Bur fastforward 90 or so years and now the son and grandson of the coup’s main architect were both sitting presidents(one was even head of the cia which is arguably a position far more powerful than president) and our government is now blatantly and obviously controlled by an intersection of wall street corporate and military industrial power which which is completely intertwined with almost all of the news media outlets and all serve as propaganda outlets currently ever since Reagan and then bush senior vetoed attempts to legislate the fairness in media doctrine that allowed journalistic integrity to flourish in the usa up till the 1980’s when everything began to clearly deteriorate as a result of right wing fascist political aggitation begun in the 2 decades prior.
So because of all this (and some other things I haven’t mentioned) I personally believe we are so very far beyond the point where any systemic change will or can be initiated / Implemented through the mechanisms of the very system which has so clearly allowed the ultra wealthy to manipulate its democratic processes in such a way that insulated and protected them from democracy itself.
I'm surprised no one has insinuated that you think both parties are the same.
good read though, if a bit long
Both parties may not be identical but they are definitely serving the same exact masters. So both parties are working towards the same goals. Thwarting leftist populism at all costs and promoting a society and economy that fights economic democracy and doesnt threaten capital ie: fascism.
Its funny i was on reddit today and a post hit the top of all (briefly before they nipped that in the bud to appease shareholders) about how reddit moderation is cracking down super hard on Luigi Mangione posts mentions and upvotes and someone posted an AI prompt response in GROK 3 and here it is;
I think if you ask an AI they'll tell you.
Here's what Grok told me a couple weeks ago:
here is Grok 3's unexpurgated take:
(Me) Assuming that the billionaires solidify their control of the US government past the point that the people can ever have a say in what happens anymore and voting becomes irrelevant, what ultimately happens after the system is completely controlled by the 0.001%?
If billionaires were to solidify control over the U.S. government to the point where democracy effectively collapses and the public has no meaningful influence, the outcome would likely be a slow but steady transformation into an oligarchic system—think a modern feudalism with extra steps. Power would concentrate in the hands of a tiny elite, maybe a few dozen families or individuals, who’d use their wealth to dictate policy, law, and resource distribution. History gives us some clues: when unchecked elites run the show—Roman patricians, Renaissance merchant-princes, or even post-Soviet oligarchs—things tend to follow a pattern.
First, you’d see the economy morph into a machine that funnels wealth upward even faster. Tax structures, labor laws, and regulations would tilt hard toward protecting the 0.001%—no more pesky antitrust enforcement or worker protections. Corporations owned by these billionaires would dominate, merging with the state in a kind of gilded fascism. Think monopolies on steroids, where dissenters get crushed not by jackboots but by algorithm-driven blacklists and financial ostracism. The middle class would erode as wages stagnate and automation (owned by the elite) displaces jobs, leaving a stark divide: a small aristocracy and a sprawling, dependent underclass.
Society wouldn’t stay quiet forever, though. People don’t just shrug off losing their voice—they simmer, then boil. Without voting as an outlet, unrest would grow. Protests, riots, maybe even low-level insurgencies could pop up, especially as inequality becomes unbearable. The billionaires would counter with surveillance tech and private security forces—Blackwater 2.0, but with drones and AI. Public education and healthcare would likely wither, keeping the masses less capable of organizing or resisting. Propaganda would ramp up too, probably through media they own, painting their rule as inevitable or benevolent.
Long term, it’s unstable. Absolute control sounds nice if you’re at the top, but it breeds resentment and fragility. The 0.001% might fracture internally—power-hungry elites often turn on each other when there’s no external threat to unify them. Or some black-swan event (climate disaster, tech breakthrough, foreign interference) could disrupt their grip. If the system gets too rigid, it might just collapse under its own weight, like a top-heavy empire—think Rome 2.0, but with better Wi-Fi. Alternatively, they could pull off a dystopian win, keeping the masses pacified with bread, circuses, and VR headsets while they sip champagne in fortified enclaves.
No crystal ball here, but the vibe would be a mix of The Hunger Games aesthetics and Gilded Age vibes—opulence for the few, quiet desperation for the rest, and a slow burn toward either revolution or resignation. What do you think—would people fight back hard, or just adapt to the new normal?
(Me again) In the scenario you just described, what happens to the billionaires themselves after society collapses?
Once society collapses under the weight of their control, the billionaires’ fate hinges on how well they’ve insulated themselves and how the collapse plays out. They’ve got resources—money, private security, bunkers, offshore havens—so they’re not exactly scrambling for scraps right away. But they’re not invincible either; a societal breakdown cuts both ways.
If it’s a chaotic free-for-all—think riots, infrastructure failure, and armed factions—they’d likely hole up in fortified compounds or flee to places like New Zealand or private islands they’ve already bought. They’ve got the means: private jets, loyal mercenaries, and stockpiles of food and fuel. Some might even have tech-driven mini-cities ready, with solar grids and hydroponics to ride out the storm. For a while, they’d live like post-apocalyptic kings, surrounded by guards and sipping vintage wine while the world burns. But isolation has limits. Supply chains, even private ones, erode in total chaos. Their staff—pilots, security, engineers—might turn on them if loyalty fades or desperation kicks in. A pissed-off ex-employee with a gun and a grudge could unravel their little utopia fast.
If the collapse spawns organized resistance—say, a coalition of pissed-off citizens or a rogue military splinter—they’d face bigger threats. Billions don’t buy immunity from a determined mob or a drone strike. History’s littered with examples: French aristocrats thought their chateaus were safe until the guillotines rolled out. The billionaires might try to negotiate, offering resources to warlords or new power players, but trust would be thin. They could end up as bargaining chips, ransomed, or just eliminated as symbols of the old regime.
Internally, they’d probably start eating each other too. With no common enemy left to unify them, rivalries would flare. One billionaire’s private army might raid another’s compound for dwindling resources. Alliances would shift, paranoia would spike, and their little oligarchy could fracture into a survivalist soap opera. Think Game of Thrones, but with fewer dragons and more Teslas.
Longer term, if society rebuilds, they might try to reinsert themselves as saviors—funding reconstruction, playing philanthropist to rewrite their legacy. Some might pull it off, especially if they’ve hoarded critical tech or knowledge. Others could fade into obscurity, their wealth meaningless in a world that’s moved on. Worst case, they’re hunted down by a new order that sees them as the root of the mess.
So, post-collapse, they’d either cling to power as warlord-lite figures in their gilded cages, get taken out by betrayal or vengeance, or slink away to obscurity if the world resets. Depends on how ruthless they stay and how much the rest of humanity cares to chase them. What’s your take—would they outlast the chaos or get swallowed by it?
Its like some people are sooooo fucking close to realizing the truth of our reality but are so conditioned to ignore the signs and keep fostering the delusional belief in American exceptionalism/ democratic integrity that has clearly left the chat decades ago.