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What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Maybe it's too much to say people who experienced this stuff are delusional? I know a lot of them personally and they live a normal life, but they keep saying testimonies about holy experience, that God talks to them etc.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The appropriate explanation is, "I don't believe you." Just because somebody believes something strongly and has a story doesn't make it real.

"But I saw my cousin levitate when we were all praying once! My mom agrees that it happened! Surely that must be God!" Or a demon. Or a freak, natural phenomenon that we have yet to document. Or aliens. Or Loki. Do you see why "I'm not lying" isn't enough to prove a miracle? Christians have to explain why it's their god, why it's their rationale that should be taken as fact. If they can demonstrate their claims in front of a camera, sensors, etc., then we can begin to investigate the truth value of their claims. If they can't reproduce their magic, why should anyone take it seriously?

And that's the problem. The minute you bring out actual scientists, set up actual studies, and start really probing, the miracles can never stand up to scrutiny. Ever. Here's an example: https://showmethetoes.com/

You don't have to say people are delusional. You can simply demand better evidence than testimony, and you should.