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I have this gun machine that shoots in all directions randomly. I can't predict it, so I can't stop it from shooting you. So sorry. It's uncontrollable.
Yeah but I can just ignore the bullets because they are nerf. And I have my own nerf guns as well.
I mean at some point any analogy fails, but AI is nothing like a gun.
They may seem like nerf when they first come out of the AI, but they turn into real bullets once they start filling people's heads with convincing enough lies and falsehoods, and those people start wielding their own weapons against minorities, democracy, and the government. If the election of Trump 2.0 has not convinced you of the immense danger of disinformation and misinformation, I have literally no idea how anything could ever possibly get through to you.
That doesn't really change anything. The internet is full of AI slop and just people outright lying. Nothing is reliable any more outside of the word of an actual expert.
This has been happening since before Trump. Hell Trump 45 was before the wave of truly capable AI.
AI doesn't change this at all except people ought to know they are getting info from a bullshit source if they are getting it from AI themselves.
Even nerf bullets can hurt you if they're shot at you in sufficient quantities.
Or speed. Some of the homebrew mods are ridiculous.
AI is a thing people choose to host and are responsible for the outcomes of its use. The internal working and limitations of the machine do not make the owners less responsible.
Okay, so I agree with none of that, but you're saying as long as we host our own AI or rent our own processing from the cloud we're in the clear? I want to make sure that's your fundamental argument because that leaves all open models in the clear and frankly I could be down with that. I like AI but I'm not a huge fan of AI companies.
So insurance companies use AI to screen claims.
It denies a claim for life saving intervention - person dies. Who is responsible for that? Historically it would be the insurance company - and worker. Would it be them or the AI company?
Psych screening tools were using it to pre screen calls.
Ai tells the person to kill themselves - who is at fault if they do it. Psych screener would lose their job and their license. What and who is impacted if AI does it.
QA check on a car or product is passed by AI but should have failed.
Thousands die before the recall. Who is at fault for it? The Company leveraging AI. Or the AI itself?
Company using AI for that shit is responsible. There is no responsible way to remove a human from there process. These aren't reasonable uses of AI no matter how bad companies want to save money by not hiring.
Yeah so any space where a caregiver or worker can get fined huge sums of money for not taking adequate action it should just be illegal for AI to inherit that space then?
Because when I worked in the psych space if I was told XYand Z - I would need to act or as an individual face 30-100,000 dollars in fines.
If it’s left to the company you will just see shell corps housing the AI client facing hub. That will dissolve when legal critical mass forms and costs now outweigh the revenue wins.
“We formed LLC psych screen services, who will help our hospital team with mental health call volume!”
“Psych screen LLC is facing 27 lawsuits and is committing bankruptcy!”
“We formed LLC psych now using a different AI tool!”
Sounds like a good way to get convicted of fraud to me but that's not my area of expertise.
Really hurt Perdue pharma - they still are laughing in their mansions.
I'm not sure you get my point.
If I'm proving a service, and that service is creating and publishing disparaging information about you, you should have recourse against me. I don't get off the hook just because of the way I've set up the technology.
Right. Well if your service is a well-known bullshiter I wouldn't give a fuck. That being said, I'd be happy to agree that AI should all be open source and self-hosted. I run local AI myself, but the quality isn't there. I'd have to rent time on a big boy machine if the big players went away. That would be a little inconvenient because I'd want to have a whole bunch of requests queued up to use maximum power over minimum time and that's not really how anyone uses AI.
Maybe I could share that rental with other AI enthusiasts..... hmmm.
If creating text is like shooting bullets, we should require a license for text editors.
You can pry Vim from my cold, dead hands!
Can't exit it on your own?
The severity of the impact should not dictate whether a person is accountable for a thing they own, or not.
So, licenses for everything?
Anyway, we hold the person accountable who does (or rarely does not) do something, not the owner of a thing. Which is why a libel accusation makes 0 sense here.
Maybe people need to learn that AI hallucinates
you misspelled "is fucking wrong all the goddamn time"
It would be more accurate to say that rather than knowing anything at all they have a model of the statistical relationship between a series of tokens and subsequent tokens which words are apt to follow other words and because the training set contains many true things the words produced in response to queries often contain true statements and almost always contain statements that LOOK like true statements.
Since it has no inherent model of the world to draw on and only such statistical relationships you should check anything important
you say more accurate but all I see is a very roundabout way of saying fucking wrong all the goddamn time
it produces things that appear to be cohesive sentences. there is no reason to assign correctness to a sentence.
maybe you should tell that to the companies that shove it in every crevice of every website and app. why is it on search results? why is it summarizing emails? why is it literally doing anything? it's useless. actually it's less than useless. it's misleading and harmful. and the companies should be held liable for it.
Maybe the owners of LLMs need to be held responsible for the problematic software they release
There's no problem here. User error
Yea, I’m mind blown, how, after 3 years people still don’t know how to use LLM effectively in use cases they bring value (by reducing work time)
Using AI like this, helped me enormously in work and live Like, I learned a lot C, C++, how linux kernel modules work, how PO/POT works, helped me with translations, introduced me into music production, helped me set up appFlowy and general windows/linux issues.
So then what's the use of the program if it uses a bunch of energy to just make shit up?
sometimes you need a machine that makes things up according to a given specification.
Because it makes up things that are 99% correct and in some areas the 99% + verification and expansion can be superior time wise to the 100% manual route
What models are youseeing where things are 99% correct? Google's search chat bot can't even keep Windows vs Mac hotkey commands straight.
it's pretty good a getting grammar correct.
And when it hallucinates harmful things, protections need to be put onto the output.
Ok so explain particularly what this means
If you have a service, and that service is generating things that harm people, you should have to stop it.
We value the gains both immediate and presumed more than the harm
Surely. Otherwise it'd be shut down. Like they did with my gun machine :-(
I'm sorry, as an American, I'm not seeing the problem. Don't you just need a second gun that shoots in random directions to stop the first gun? And then a third gun to shoot the 2nd gun? I mean come on now, this is basic 3rd grade common sense!