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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Bernie Sanders is 83. He won't be running in the Presidential primaries.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never say never, but aoc might. And she's lib enough to win over most dems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It's hard to imagine a majority of white voters supporting AOC. Obama managed win two elections despite 43% and 39% of the white vote due to strong PoC voter turnout but I doubt that would play out well in the current political climate. AOC would be even more divisive, in a way, by being a woman.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem with clinton an harris was not that they were women, for fucks sake. Clinton is a racist ghoul that spent her career, at best, advocating against the working class. Even if she could differentiate herself from her husband, which she never even tried to, she's still a racist conservative whose entire messaging was that she was owed a 'turn' as president.

And harris was a right wing genocidal cop.

The problem is not that these evil people are women, it's that they have no differentiating factors from 1990s republicans. And dems want nonrepublican candidates, not old republican candidates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure but even Obama, who did not have to deal with gender based prejudice and was generally a well liked populist, could not pull a majority of the white vote. A lot of white voters just could not bring themselves to trust him because he looked different and had a different name. It's incredible he ever got elected.

Identity politics are baked into American culture unfortunately and I wonder if a female PoC has a real shot with where things are now. If they do, other PoC would really have to show up for them, like they did for Obama.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Obama was also 16 years ago and a plurality of rep voters since that time, in the specific demo you mention, have long since died.

Racism is absolutely alive and thriving, don't get me wrong, but if montana can elect a trans person and most the south have black members in their state congresses for the first time since jim crow, it's not as big an issue as it once was.

What unifies left and right voters is talk of focusing on the working class, acknowledging their struggle, and presenting some plan. It doesn't even have to be good as we've seen from trump's first election. You just have to not be a fucking snob.

And guess who is great at messaging that vibe while having been put down by right wing media for being too working class? AOC.

She's left wing enough to energize disillusioned leftie votes, she's young enough to energize disillusioned youth votes, she's right wing enough to not scare off conservatives, and she's working class enough to connect with dissimilar working class voters. Add on to the constant stories of trumps ineptitude even being pushed by right wing media and you have the perfect answer to her inexperience.

If the dems want to have the slightest chance of winning, she's the only candidate with enough name recognition to come close to winning. If they run yet another career politician or corrupt cop, they want to lose, simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Hmmm perhaps the Latino vote could play a big role in her support, potentially tipping it in her favor if she did run for the presidency. Still I get it, it's a long shot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Im hoping the run walz and AOC. Before they gagged him he was getting dem voters energized in the way that trump is able to do with his cult. and AOC is doing really good things all around the country.

More than anything just not fucking newsom that is the one dem I will not vote for even if trump is running a third time because I think he would keep doing the same exact shit that trump is doing under the guise of meeting in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd trust Bernie at 95 wayyyy more than trump at any age

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Fuck no get someone younger. Enough with the senior citizens running the country.