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You said he "gave people access to healthcare" I agreed.
What else is there to engage with in your comment?
Assist me in understanding.
Wait, seriously? Like, seriously, you're not joking? You really can't get the point from the original comment? You have read it and that was your understanding? Be honest, if not with me than with yourself, did you really read it, or just pretended to read and now digging your heels?
Seriously, engage with his whole presidency. How would you rate his performance in it's totality?
That...wasn't a point of my point
Your point was that he got people health care coverage that otherwise wouldn't have been covered. I agreed with that point.
My point is that his presidency led us to trump.
And my point was outlined in the comment you refuse to read.
Ok, this isn't going anywhere.
If it makes you feel any better I'm lost as well since the points they made in their attempted speech is just incorrect.
The rest is bizarre word ramblings, "he achieved something that nobody thought possible", "his legacy will be dismantled".
It's kinda interesting, like he's specifically blaming you for hurting Obama's reputation and the country at large... Not that people in charge should be held accountable or have some sort of standard for what they campaign for. I'm happy for the people who benefited from ACA, but plenty people still don't and I imagine a lot of people don't realize you are fined if you're uninsured because of the act. Reminds me of being penalized for being homeless.
It's that same fucking shtick with the whole student loan debacle. Keep the current profit generating system in place and pass laws and subsidies to help prop it up and stay as lucrative as possible. Any actual awareness or targeting of the greed is completely swept under the rug, so it's hard for me to get excited about this one step forward-two steps back bullshit. Especially when there's already so many perfectly acceptable examples around the world to learn and develop functional systems from.
It absolutely made me feel better. Thank you.
I mean, it was one-sided conversation from the beginning. And only you had the power to change it, all this time.
Do you have any positions or is glazing Obama the extent of it?
At this point it's not even funny. Do you do this with every conversations in your life, or did I get lucky? Do you understand the theory of mind? Do you understand that you actually need to listen to the person when you talk, and not just invent what you feel they might say, and then argue with that for some reason?
You got lucky. I'm understanding how vacuous your argument is and, it's making me curious if you have any beliefs.
Oh, you're lucky too, I made a comment in the beginning of the conversation that could satisfy your curiosity. Granted, it requires to read the whole paragraph of text, so you may never know what I actually mean
Right, so no beliefs. Now we can continue posting back and forth out of spite.
The lengths you go in order to avoid engaging in good faith talk are fascinating, really.
Obama was a mediocre president.
He absolutely was, but it is also tangential to what I was talking about
Yeah, vaguely gesturing about the difficulties of a party having all 3 branches of government for 4 months and passing legislation that almost helps everyone.
I'm very specifically gesturing at the fact that US government is an insanely complicated thing, that is unbelievably hard to operate, but insanely easy to break, that's why people who want to use it to achieve anything generally fail, but people who want to break it achieve it with ease.
And that's only one of the specific things I'm gesturing at, very explicitly actually, nothing vague about my gesturing.
Why didn't you say that?! I'm over here thinking you're a troll!
Yes it's complicated, I agree. My perception of his presidency was that he didn't try hard enough to get things pushed through.
I know he is a centrist so he would never have pushed for an economic agenda that's more keynesian. I just wish he fought harder as a president. This is why I think he laid the foundation for Trump's rightwing populism.