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You can do all sorts of nifty things when you're designing silicon. Including this abomination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation

Source: datasheet for LM161, a high speed (20ns delay) moderately high voltage (30V) comparator. I'm going to try and make a discrete version of some bits of it and see how well it works. Maybe not this triple-emitter NPN though, I draw the line at components that require livestock sacrifices.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is it supposed to do?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I only know what wikipedia tells me about these things, I've never played with one. I also have no clue yet what it does in this circuit.

3 emitters and 2 collectors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's just one collector though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~Nope, bottom right and top middle >:D~~

Oh my god I've forgotten what a base is. This transistor is doing my head in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This whole circuit is cursed.. it looks like for Q19 to be on, the base/collector junction of Q18 must be forward biased - is that even allowed? Does that make the collector a fourth emitter? Or is the whole circuit just made to convey to the reader of the datasheet that they could never ever build this themselves?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I suspect that you need to think of the 3 B->E voltages as inputs (OR'd with each other) and the C->lowestvoltageE path as the output. All of them are operating in linear mode too, I think one of them is a low-gain follower whilst others have a lot more gain. Maybe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Fascinating, a single transistor that allows multiple logic functions. I can see where that'd be extremely useful in an IC.

I never got to do IC development so it's cool to me :P