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Game of thrones basically checked twitter which characters are fan favourites and the popular ones get the most plot armour. Which is super funny for a show that became famous for killing off characters.
To me Bronn was always the worst offender. He was pretty much just a dude, then they realised people like him or his actor so he almost became a main character. It felt like a sitcom at that point. Or Jamie, surviving his hand getting cut off i. The worst conditions ever... Okay i guess. But when he then fell into the lake with full armour and a bronze hand... Of course sidekick Bronn had nothing better to do than watch him and pull him out. Fuck, i just remember how aweful that show got by season 5 or 6. I still can't believe they were noth of the wall stuck on that lake and were like: you are a fast runner, right? You go and get help, we chill here.
Tbf, and I'd never defend the show after that finale, iirc Bronn was watching Jamie charge at Dianarys and her dragon and as Drogon began to charge up his fire breath Bronn tackled Jamie into the lake to save him. Still shit writing but it makes slightly more sense.
Don't you see his pov where he goes down into the lake and he's already like a few meters under water for dramatic effect. And in the next episode he just pulls his arm out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSf5K-GT3Oc
It starts at about 4:00. It makes zero sense that the water is that deep btw but maybe it's just me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk5yIVomPWI
He doesn't even pull the arm out he's just magically saved from the meters deep water in the next opening...
Bronn wasn't featured as prominently in the books and only continued because of the show but..
This happened in the books a decade before the show even came out. Also, amputations really aren't that rare in history, and Jamie had a Maester to tend him, a Maester who by all accounts pretty much knows some necromancy basically. It isa fantasy series, I might remind you, and this medical procedure — which one might survive in real life as well — is tended to by essentially a member of the closest thing to wizards there is (as in wise men who hold all the books relating to magic, even if the magic has "gone out of the world" .)
The show got shit at s6 because they ran out of books. Even before that there was a bit of divergence, but it was very clear that it went to shit after they ran out of material, despite working with GRRM and knowing "the large strokes". Hell I know the "large strokes" of lots of stories well that doesn't mean I think I could write a show about them.
Shit I didn't even remember that. I mean I guess George would be able to write in a battle that lasts a few days while a runner goes for help, much like the original Marathon, but in the show that seemed just really silly the way it was portrayed.
Ironically the whole saga began because George was tired of producers always fucking up this shows by making grand battles duels and whatnot, so he decided to write a show that could "never be adapted for TV."
Well gz, George, you did it. Unfortunately the poor reception of the mangled show meant that George has been avoiding finishing the series, because he's afraid the books will have poor reception as well, not realising that the people who actually have bothered to read the books aren't the usually the most vocal about how garbage the story is. Perhaps vocal about how shit the show was yes, but not of the quality of the story.
Preston Jacobs is essentially writing a fanfic version of how he'd continue it. A very popular GoT youtuber.
I hope George finishes the story. In the books the last time we saw Jon Snow was when he was getting stabbed over and over and over. It was like 2012-2013 I think, I was reading the books in our smoking room at work on the night shift. "Sure George had been killing main characters but surely Jon Snow is the main character and George wouldn't... oh no... what are you... noooooooooo!"
And I'm still waiting for that feeling to be resolved. What happens next?
Yep, the waif who was wandering round in broad daylight despite knowing assassins were trying to kill her. And yet was surprised when she got stabbed
I lost interest in the show the second they brought back ppl from the dead.
The bringing back wasn't the problem, it's what they did with them once they were back. It should mean something, and not dull down the character.
I think bringing back is the problem because at that point we establish that not even death is permanent
Yes, but with others coming back has a cost. Beric Dondarrion is the first in mind, who loses memory each time he's brought back, and in the book presents the idea that remaining alive requires some life force that runs out even with the resurrected (based on what happens).
Of course none of this happens to Jon...well, maybe it does, as would explain why he acts so out of character as things close. He must have died again in the final seasons off screen.
I just don't like the idea of losing that permanence, even when it comes at a cost
Yeah in a land of magic and drangons and stuff, it could've even be cool. He could come back wrong or corrupted or whatever. But it was just fan service. They didn't even know what to do with him. They didn't even bring him back to kill frozone
It is just up until that point, any form of danger or any combat was a real threat. To any character. Nobody was really / obviously plot protected at that point which created a lot of the tension and engagement for me. That all was lost once ppl. were no-longer permanently dead. Any danger thereafter would never feel the same. It got worse once it was super clear who is the main character.
Side note: Didn't the author criticise LotR for bringing Gandalf back? The audacity ಠ_ಠ
The way GoT got is indefensible. The writing got so, so bad and it severely damaged the franchise. It's just... shit.
You know what's interesting? When GoT went downhill at season 6 or whatever, i still thought that they could turn it around (lol) and even if they didn't, i could still come back and enjoy the good seasons.
But that's not true, at least for me. I never seen a show salting the earth so hard that i still never even thought about rewatching it. And i don't think i ever will.
I know, I was the same! It had been so strong and there were excellent episodes in S6, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. S7 felt rushed and wasn't amazing, but still better than most telly so I thought they were focusing on an epic S8. But then it was ABYSMAL and so bad I can't watch earlier seasons. The whole point was the story was going to have a beginning, middle and end, they're not stand alone seasons like true blood. But it was all for nothing