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This is another good reminder to not use VMware nor VirtualBox for any reason.
I’m out of the loop. Why not virtualbox?
One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.
Dunno, Larry well understands what he does unlike most tech CEOs and owners today. Oracle was allied to Sun at some point. Larry has that demonic appearance, but he's less of a threat than literally anybody else of them. Especially since Larry already has enormous power which he abuses less than expected.
You're talking the CEO of a company who sued Google on the premise that header files, a descriptor file for what commands can be used and what parameters they took, should be copyrighted? The CEO who poisoned the OpenOffice community so thoroughly that the fork, LibreOffice, was founded by the leaders of OpenOffice and became the de facto standard instead of the original, and it happened overnight? That guy?
Oh. That part I didn't know.
Yeah, that was just the habit probably.
Bruh they're a copywrite law firm (read as patent troll) with a database and a tech company attached. Pretty much all they do is fuck other people over
There are three real DBMS options for enterprise - Oracle, PGSQL, MSSQL, and Oracle is the most powerful and least problematic of them.
How is it less problematic? I've only ever worked with the other two
Well, compare setting up replication under Oracle and PGSQL.
Replication with postgres is really simple. Combine it with patroni and it's so much better than oracle
Oh, I'm not a DBA, so a stupid question - how do you avoid PGSQL replication breaking on full vacuum of a table? With patroni, shmatroni, macaroni, whatever.
I'm not sure why you would buy an open-source company/product, particularly a GPLv3 one, if you didn't understand or agree with the premise. It's probably the stupidest decision he made. I'm not saying I agree with his other decisions, but most of them made some kind of business sense. With this one, he would have saved a lot of time and effort and received the same value if he'd just spun OO.o off ASAP. The linked timeline kind of says it all.
I don't get your confusion.
Sun buys StarOffice, Sun opensources it into OpenOffice and supports its development, Sun goes under and gets bought by Oracle with all its stuff.
Then yeah, Oracle killed most of what Sun was doing altruistically (or as part of their desktop\workstation strategy that didn't transpire, who knows). Including OOO.
Yes, that guy. If you compare it to the guy getting children addicted to gambling and manipulating elections, or to the guy destroying workers rights and manipulating the press, or to the guy firing half of the federal workers while doing the Nazi salute, changing the name of a project or a frivolous lawsuit here and there is the least of our concerns.
Citation needed on literally all points. Fuck Oracle, fuck Sun, and fuck Larry Ellison
Suppose so
Either you are so ignorant you don't know what Sun was, or you are out of your fucking mind.
That's up to everyone, I personally don't find him that attractive
I do know what Sun was, and now they're owned by Oracle. Fuck Sun
And "fuck" literally means "don't fuck"
there's no sun anymore. It's oracle
Orly? Please tell me this news, did Oracle really buy Sun? What amazing information, I can't believe how much you've taught me
yeah rly. the fuck are you talking about with "fuck sun"
Because Oracle sucks donkey balls.
I don’t understand what these folks are saying. VirtualBox is community software. It does not matter that it comes from Oracle since it is fully libre/open.
It's free and works for me, why should I stop using Virtualbox?
Because it’s owned by Oracle and they’re the kings of malicious licensing. Using their software, even as an individual, with no intention of ever using it for work, gives them more power. Of course, if you ever even think about using it for work, then be prepared for the company you work for to be paying a huge bill or be sued.
It's for personal use only. Should I be switching to native Linux virtualization with KVM or something?
I would recommend it. I also started with VirtualBox and made my way over to GNOME Boxes. Anything else will have a learning curve, but in the end, I found the alternatives work better once you wrap your head around them and you don’t ever need to worry about Oracle pulling the rug from under you.
Given how VMWare apparently is pulling this is wouldn't be surprised. I'll give it a shot. Worst case I learn something new!
and what to use instead? run qemu commands and all the preparation by hand?
there's proxmox, but that's not a desktop solution.
Virt-manager is a GUI for libvirt, which can use several hypervisors, including KVM/QEMU, and it works great.
There's several other clients for libvirt, including GNOME Boxes, Cockpit (web based), and virsh (CLI).
Boxes is very well-organized and easy to use.
Yeah but GTK
Yeah, I don't prefer that. But with some things I feel like it's barely a downside, and I'd put Boxes into that category. It's useful and well-designed enough in terms of functionality that I'm willing to overlook the Gnominess.
Virt-manager works ok
I primarily use mac and when I need to quickly spin up a linux machine, parallels needs you to buy a new version every year or they wont support much, and fusion supports everything but its....vmware