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It doesn't require faith to NOT believe in something. It requires faith to accept religion which cannot be proven.
It does require faith when you’re disbelieving something that has as much proof of its existence as of its non existence. There is no conclusive proof against the existence of a supreme being, in fact like I said in another comment there is physical evidence of one if you observe the universe, which is that all of existence collective is god.
If you zoom into a human being there are millions of microorganisms and bacteria that inhabit us, and at that level of zoom they all look like they inhabit their own little planets, zoom in more and you start to see the very molecules that make us up. But you zoom out and see a person, zoom out and see a planet, then a galaxy, then clusters and so on. Who’s to say that if you looked at the universe from outside of it, it would not be the very body of another living organism?
-Mark Twain, Pudd’nhead Wilson
I like this thought experiment and think about this a lot. However this does nothing to remotely indicate the existence of the Abrahamic god. People tell you with certainty that god exists and he's three persons and jesus rose from the dead yada yada. That's a complete fantasy derived from literally nothing.
No proof but still believe? Faith.
Not believing in something that has zero evidence requires no faith. I don't need faith to tell you Cthulu isn't real
Well atheism is not just denying the abrahamic god but the idea of any supreme being at all.
Atheism is not the idea of denying any gods, but rather not believing claims that they exist. This requires not faith, but by definition, the lack of it.
I have a pet flying dragon that breathes fire and devours people I don't like. Do you believe me?
This isn’t as smart of an argument as you think it is.
And your reply wasn't one at all.
I wasn't arguing. I was giving you an analogy. What's the difference between not believing in a god and not believing in a pet dragon? Does one require faith and not the other? Why or why not? That's an argument.
If my argument is so easy and stupid, rip it apart. Condescension gets you nothing.
It’s a very bad faith (heh) argument to compare god to a mythological creature. I’m not arguing that the abrahamic god is real or that Zeus et al are real. I’m saying that as the thing that encompasses everything that exists, the universe, could be a god of sorts. Or the God if you want.
The argument is that atheists believe so much that god does not exist and become so hostile to the notion of religion itself that it behaves as a religion and becomes like a religion itself.
Perhaps the fault in communication here is that atheist mostly define gods as intelligent and willful entitities when there is nothing that suggests that other than the deities that we invented in our own image. But to say, conclusively that god does not exist, meaning that we know that the universe is without a doubt not a transcendental entity is just faith that god does not exist because you have no proof of that nor any way to prove it without looking at it from outside of it.
Oh yeah? What's the difference between gods and other mythological creatures and why does it matter?
Atheists don't believe that gods don't exist. Atheists don't claim that gods don't exist. They don't believe claims that they do. And the difference between those two statements is far bigger than the difference between gods and dragons. You keep popping up the same old straw man so you can knock it down.
But it isn't even an argument if your opponent denied your premise and keeps correcting you about your total misunderstanding about themselves, but you refuse to correct your mistake.
Never said it was.