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You say you agree but you still seem to actually not agree.
As for Israelis being white?
I mean....I literally gave an example of an almost certainly, generally 'white' or 'white passing', American Jew... who fucking shot two Israeli tourists in Florida, because he thought they were Palestinian.
I would very much be willing to bet that is because the tourists were more tan.
Myself personally?
So of course all this whiteness vs not whiteness and all racism is bullshit, but uh no, I cannot actually tell many Israelis from many Palestinians, if they were dressed similarly, I didn't know their names or anything about them... hell, even spoken Israeli Hebrew sounds pretty similar to spoken Arabic to my untrained ear.
Israelis are not all just easily, massively more white or pale than all Palestinians.
Like... you are saying the racist violent criminal made an honest mistake, that honest mistake being that his racist stereotype was innacurate to the point he thought actual Israelis were Palestinian.
You have assumed that the American shooter in the Florida story is himself Israeli...
When this is never stated in the article, nor any article about this I can find. In all likelihood, Brafman is an American Jew, not an Israeli.
My own cousins are American Jews, who consistently make their own unprompted, self-defaming jokes based on their Jewishness... and to me, many, many Israelis look distinct to them.
Not all Jews are Israeli.
Not all Jews are Zionist, my cousins for example are secular Jews who are not super religiously devout, but they do partake in many Jewish traditions (they're the reason I know the dradel dradel dradel song, etc) ... but they are also quite against the Palestinian genocide.
But they are also far more 'white' or 'white passing' than a significant number of actual, born and raised in Israel, Israelis.
Bro, the VAST MAJORITY of American Jews and Israelis are of the same mixed Eastern European and Germanic stock, hence their looks and last names, lol. Where do you think all these -bergs and -owskys are coming from, Syria? I mean, this is evidently a bit of a personal topic as you said you're part of an American Jewish family but what do you look like ? Are you not white of European stock or are you a Japanese/Moroccan/Nepali man?
And I'm glad your cousins are not Zionists (many Israelis are, but not a singular Jew is a Zionist), the more moral non-sociopaths the better! But those who are, and those who support the colonial state of Israel either have blood on their hands, knowingly agree with what's happening and would make the same hell damning decisions, or are too mentally challenged/lazy to even try to understand what's going on but support death and destruction regardless. They really do believe that they can murder and pillage to their heart's content (like the proto Americans and the Natives, a story as old as Europe...).
You just skipped over the part where you assumed an American Jew was an Israeli, just literally doing the thing I am pointing out that the ignorant often do.
I really don't know how to better spell this out for you than:
Yes, a good number of Israelis are more pale skinned... but...
There are many, many Israelis, as in, born, raised, in Israel, live in Israel, have Israeli citizenship by birth... who are significantly more tan than what most white people would consider 'white passing', as well as having different facial features than is more common is white, European heritage, American Jews.
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Lets try pictures.
https://www.artfido.com/this-is-what-the-average-person-looks-like-in-each-country/
These amalgamations and averages were all done before AI image gen became a thing. They are the result of mathematical averaging algorithms, not hallucinatory nonsense, and fairly large sample sizes... I think the photos were originally collected and processed between something like 2010 and 2014.
I look fairly close to this 'white american' composite.
My grandmother is Italian and Norweigian. Her husband was some kind of mixture of French and German. My dad is thus a mix of those, as am I.
My Jewish cousins come from my aunt, my dad's sister... but their father was ... well, before he died, he referred to his heritage as Yiddish, unfortunately he passed when both I and my cousins were still kids... I think he may have come from a mixture of German, Polish, Russian heritage, I am not 100% sure... his family got the fuck out of Europe before or during WW1, settled in New York.
My cousins are as fair skinned as I am, but have distinctive enough facial features (and a very stereotypically suffixed Jewish family name) that they've gotten a good deal of antisemitism in their lives.
Go look at all the Mediterranean or Balkan countries, their composite average representations.
Most Americans I've known fairly frequently confuse Greeks with Iraqis, Romanians with Iranians, etc.
This 'white passing' shit is rarely more complicated than just skin tone, and many more actual Israelis simply are more tan than many American Jews.