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Kids born today are going to grow up in a hellscape, grim climate study finds
(www.livescience.com)
this post was submitted on 15 May 2025
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You’d be horrible person to have them. Selfish.
Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said "I'm happy to be alive, thanks very much"
I find purpose in helping those who already exist, in the service of preventing suffering.
That's great, I do that too
Your kids needs to suffer for you idiotic so called purpose. Get a hobby next time, go volunteer instead of dragging other souls down with you
Point me to a time in the past when there was no suffering please.
Around 4.5 billion years ago, at least on earth. The existence of suffering and its universality are good reasons for you to perpetuate it?
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can't accept that, that's on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you're the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I'm merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I'd also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though...
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don't think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I'm sorry that's not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I'm not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures? It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
Shame that your parents didn't feel that way.
True. But I managed to have purpose without dragging other souls down with me. Thank you for your kind words 🩷
You aren't selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don't think that people having kids are selfish either. It's just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I've chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
These people just have no hope. They have given up on humanity. They are preparing themselves for the worst.
We can choose differently. We can look to what is in our power to mitigate suffering. We can raise awareness and take direct action.
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
I’m cracking up. More awareness. Fuck off with your thoughts and prayers, darling, the time for awareness was in the mid ‘90s.
You’re very late to the party.
Well, as it stands, we have more solutions and technology on the table than ever before.
Like the recent breakthrough: sodium-ion batteries. Or proton batteries.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don't necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate's effect on agriculture and yields.
If we could all just get together and do , we'd be able to do it! I've found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that's cynical, but it's also not inaccurate.
Yeah, don't be so cynical, endlessnightmare.
The US is not the entire world thankfully.
The water wars aren’t in the US.
Never heard of the Colorado River, huh?
Selfish is having kids to fill narcissistic tendentcies and then bitching and moaning about how other people are unwilling to raise them for you.
I addition, yes.
Is it not selfish to throw your hands up and give up because governments are choosing inaction and corporations are out of control?
I'm a childless (for life) gay person and I'm not a Christian. Nice personal attack, though.
We all share responsibility to take real action to focus our species on solutions to avoid mass suffering and death.
I do take some fairly serious steps towards anticonsumption and reducing my footprint, such as not eating meat. One of the steps I have taken to reduce the environmental damage that I cause is to not have children. This has an additional effect of preventing their suffering and death.
This seems to be perfectly in line with your stated goal.
Your personal choices are your own decision, but I do think it's admirable for you to claim personal responsibility.
Though, shaming or judging others for wanting to have a family and continue their genetic line is not something I advocate for.
Your small steps to reduce your impact simply aren't enough. Even if they were bigger than they are, it still doesn't put you on a pedestal to look down on others for their decisions. You are free to do so, but you won't get my approval.
We need worldwide change. Vastly reducing animal agriculture and non-essential industry is imperative.
Choosing to not consume meat doesn't solve the major issue. It doesn't make even make a small dent and virtue signalling about your choices doesn't do anything either.
People buy this stuff because it's usually cheap and readily available. It's cheap and readily available because there is almost no regulation.
Slowly phasing out factory farming and animal agriculture and replacing it with lab-grown meat is necessary. We also need to explore non-meat protein sources more seriously, the options that exist just suck, they are expensive (besides tofu), and many products contain common allergens, like soy and wheat.
It's alright. Our (USian) mighty government is doing everything it can to eliminate the choice.