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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Personally, I take a view of Marx and Engels as descriptivists.

Those are literally the words carved on his tombstone.

If only someone could explain why people like you want to defang Marx's writings with this blatant revisionism...

What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!). And more and more frequently German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the “national-German” Marx, who, they claim, educated the labor unions which are so splendidly organized for the purpose of waging a predatory war!

That quote comes from The State and Revolution, which you claim to have read. A claim I find hard to believe considering that the author proceeds to painstakingly refute your exact line of thought and interpretation of Marx, by extensively citing, "the considered and careful words of Marx and Engels."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How dare I disagree with Lenin! Oh no!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You're not just "disagreeing with Lenin" (and characterizing my response that way is an obvious strawman/bad faith), you are disagreeing with Marx, and claiming he said the opposite of what he actually said. The only reason I cited Lenin is because he did a very through job of proving you are wrong, using the exact standard that you said you wanted, "the considered and careful words of Marx and Engels." It's not as though I'm expecting you to accept him as an authority.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Marx was undoubtedly great at identifying the worst aspects of capitalism, however, his solutions left a lot to be desired.

Basically, all he proved is that you can't murder your way out of economic inequality.