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Zionism has been doing ethnic cleansing for over 76 years
So no better than Hamas, or Nazis, or the Taliban, or any other organisation that uses violence as a means of political expression.
Wtf? Stop comparing the violence of Colonialism to the anti-colonial violence that exists only as a resistance to that occupation and Colonialism.
The violence of the anti-colonialism is done as a last resort to resist the unimaginable amount of violence the occupiers do on a daily fucking basis.
How fucking gross to compare Hamas, which only exists because of the Israeli Apartheid, with the fucking Nazis. While Israel is litterally doing a fucking genocide in Gaza as we speak, and has been for over 18 fucking months. Not to mention the blockade and 'mowing the lawn' which are some of the most brutal aspects of the apartheid that's been happening in the occupied territories since 1967.
JFC, what your doing is akin to both-sidesing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Have a shred of humanity. Anti-colonialist doesn't come out of fucking nowhere and is completely fucking different than the fascism of Colonialism.
Hamas exists as it is today because it has been sponsored by Israel, while other, non religious extremist Palestinian parties/organisations were sabotaged by Israël. It was a clear choice to have an agressive and unreasonable opponent rather than a diplomatic partner that could be worked with towards a peaceful solution. Hamas is very much a creature of the Zionist Israeli politicians and has consistently worked against the interest of the Palestinian population to give Israel excuses to do what they do. Hamas is not worthy of your support, the Palestinian population who is caught up between all this, very much is.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20151019-palestine-through-the-lens-of-frantz-fanon/
I'm well aware that Israel has propped up Hamas for their own ends. It was both to divide the leadership between the West Bank and Gaza and justify it's violence against a civilian population in the eyes of Western Nations as 'fighting terrorism,' which works due to the decades of Islamphobia and hasbara in Western Nations. That does not change the dynamic, whoever funds hamas does not change what their decisions or aims are. It's not sabotage, it's blowback.
Hamas is not controlled under Israel, unlike the PA. Who's police force works at the behest of Israel as an arm of the occupation, cracking down on resistance against any violent settler colonialism taking place.
Hamas on the other hand, is a legitimate resistance group against a colonial occupying force that has been committing genocide for over a year, and a brutal blockade and occupation for generations. The goals of Hamas is to end the occupation, now genocide, and for liberation against Zionism. I certainly don't agree with all the violent actions Hamas has taken, but I also don't live in Gaza. The median age is 18, compared to 30 is Israel or 40 in European countries, all with experience living under Israeli violence.
Hamas is one of the many Palestinian resistance organizations that has existed under Zionist colonialism, and currently the most prominent. I support Palestinian resistance unconditionally, regardless of what form that takes.
I understand that you feel that way. Israel has managed to make an unpalatable group the face of Palestine resistance. Frankly both Hamas and the Isreali government are complicit in the genocide. You are led to believe that if one side is evil the other must by default be good. In this case I only see a master and a puppet. The october 7 attacks were exactly what and when Netanyahu wanted. Hamas was groomed by Israel to shape as many Palestinians as possible into the kind of people that other nations fear and contributed with their own senseless violence to radicalize the survivors against them. Israel managed to paralyze the international community into inaction with telling them they are antisemites if they condemn their crimes. But those words ring more hollow every day. In an ideal world everyone responsible would be arrested and tried Neurenberg style. But apparently we're all too afraid.
One side is the agressor killing for no reason the other is the oppressed attacking due to desperation. They will never be equal
Oh so you are assigning blame for this genocide to Hamas. Insane. You're saying Hamas' actions justify or are responsible for Israel's response of literal genocide. No, nothing justifies genocide. You can't expect a civilian population subjected to the unfathomable daily violence of settler colonialist apartheid to not fight back. Fuck off with that shitty hasbara. This is as ridiculous as both-sides-ing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
If an ethnosupremacist Apartheid state that has continued to live-stream genocide for well over a year is evil, yeah, resistance against that apartheid and genocide is good. In fact, it's just and moral.
You already have the position that Israel's response is expected due to the actions of Hamas. If an apartheid state's inevitable response to resistance against that apartheid is genocide, then yes, that state deserves to be dissolved and the occupied, and especially victims of a genocide, have a right to resist and armed struggle.
No, again that is the Palestinian Authority (PA), which is a case of Counter Insurgency (COIN).
Because he a fucking genocidal Zionist who knows western counties, in particular the US, will give them unlimited material support, international support, and propaganda support for Israel's genocide. Became Zionism is not about the security of Jewish people or even of Israeli's. It's about the extermination of Palestinians, Palestine, and even beyond with Greater Israel.
Wtf? This take is fucking ridiculous. Islamphobia in the west is not the fault of Palestinians, nor Arabs or Muslims in general. Islamphobia is deliberate to justify the unfathomable amount of violence they have subjected the population of the Middle East to. It is state policy and used to dehumanize the victims of Western Chauvinism.
What makes Palestinians the 'kind of people that other nations fear,' exactly? Because by any metric of violence Israel has been far worse both before and after any violent act of resistance by Palestinians. Nor have Palestinians been the one preventing a peace resolution.
'their own senseless violence to radicalize the survivors against them.' You mean the survivors of terrorist attacks against Israel? The party responsible for this violent occupation in the first place? Without which these terrorist attacks wouldn't have happened in the first place? The sense is resistance. Unlike for Zionism, who's many magnitudes more terrorism they subject the Palestinian population to, the sense is to ethnically cleanse the inferior natives.
No. Western nations have supported Zionism, a fascist project, since it's beginning. Zionism weaponizes antisemitism. These countries weren't 'paralyzed.' They've supported the setter colonialism for many decades. They even continue to support the genocide by continuing the provide weapons, do business with, and refuse to sanction a state committing genocide, on top of the violent settlements and ethnic cleansing done for over 76 years. There are much more Christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists. They are not 'paralyzed by the a (false) accusation of antisemitism.' Their interests are ideological and financial.
And what have they done to defend the people being genocided? Nothing at all. They're like the kid who kicks the school bully from behind and runs, leaving only you for the bully to see when he turns around.
1- Messing up the abraham accord that was trying to isolate palestians even more. 2 - Revive the world population attention to the 57 years occupation. 3 - More countries recognizing the palestinian state 4 - Hamas having direct access to the occupation forces to kill the terrorist soldiers
Occupation forces will always kill civilians they are the only side responsible for everything including attrocities like the 7 of october.
It would be cool if we could just say israel stop occupation and they stop but that's never the reality. By stripping the right of armed resiatance you simply defend occupation which is the ultimate terrorist act
I don't propose stripping the right of armed resistance.
Every single armed group in Palestinian is in terrorism list . Hamas is still the strongest group . We should condemn Hamas when it target civilians and praise them when they attack the occupying force
It wasn't sponsored by israel, israel only allowed qatari money to go to gaza. Israel always had full control of money flow. The money goes to the palestinian autority also is approved by israel. Hell even humanitarian aid can only enter of Israel accepted. But you won't critisize PA because they are collaborating with the occupation and does nothing against the settlers armed by the terrorist state of israel
It was very much sponsored by Israel. You may not want to see it but that is a you problem. It's pretty well documenten. The PA is also no more than a tool for Israël, and just as complicit in the whole thing.
Let's say PA and Hamas are both Israeli tools so who is the real resistance to Israel?
I don't know if there is significant real resistance as Hamas will happily target rival groups. Besides it's oppressive government 101 that since there will be resistance, you (the government) organize it yourself, so you know and control who's in it. A smart oppressive government doesn't leave that to chance, and whatever else the Israeli government is, they are not stupid.
Who started the war on October 7th? Hamas the terrorists, and now the Israeli terrorist government is acting even more atrociously. There is no difference between them, they're both violent despotic parties.
No one, the war didn't start on October 7th it started more than 50 years ago.
The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It's impossible to understand their existence if you don't understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.
Who came from europe to force a state on local population? Who mass diplaced hundred of thousands of paleatinian? Who occupied who?
Would you say the british empire and indian resistance was equally bad when nana sahib promised safety to british soldiers and civilians and ended up massacring them?
The Nazis are the only apt comparison in your list. Like Israel they invaded foreign lands to ethnically cleanse and colonize them.
Both Hamas and the Taliban only defended their homeland against a foreign invaders and did not invade foreign lands.
9/11.
You mean from the Yall Qaeda guys that just took over Syria and are now trying to normalize with Israel and grovel for America?
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." - George Orwell, Animal Farm
Was that Hamas or the Taliban?
Yes, the Taliban enabled Al-Qaeda by harbouring them in Afghanistan. Therefore just as responsible for the attacks as the ones flying the planes into the Towers.
Yeah, but the Taliban couldn't have existed without the funding of the US against the USSR, so I hope the US invades the US next. That said, from what the news looks like, that's already happening.
Blowback
You have no idea what you're talking about. Listen to the podcast if you want to understand why blockback happens
What happened on 9th November?
Oh, so genocide is 'self defense.' No, fuck off with that Zionist bullshit
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
Apartheid Evidence
Amnesty Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Arab and Muslim welcomed jews many time like the ottoman accepted many jews following the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492. During the first Eliyah Arab businesses let jews from Yemen to work for them, Arabs and jews was also going to each other festivals. Things got bad when Zionists exposed the plan to force a state on local people
While it was wrong and a terrible idea, Arab countries kicking out jews from them countries was a response to Zionists mass displacing hundred thousands of people
When some politicians side with Nazis other sided with British and fought Nazi Germany
Israel occupied Gaza and the west bank in 67, Israel definitely started that war by the admission of the former prime minister Menachem Begin
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/hoi_yemenite_aliyah/#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+proximity+to+the+Old%2Cto+sing+Yemenite+wedding+songs
Don't colonize people and expect the colonized to not retaliate. It's the only solution to the conflict