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What should they be doing? They shouldn't try to keep their businesses going?
Housing, rehabilitating and educating homeless people costs the same or less than funding their persecution, prosecution and incarceration while solving the problem instead of perpetuating it
The people doing this enjoy the cruelty, they feel those that fall through the cracks should be smashed, and when those bodies cleared, the next slightly less poor group will be crushed
again and again
Until it's only the ultra wealthy being served by the grateful remainders of every other class who they deign to allow to survive
Just like the plan
and the business is the one deciding these things?
Like. I get it.
The way we treat homeless people sucks in this country.
It shouldn't be that way. But the business isn't the one setting those policies here. That's on LA and the CA governments. And while yes, some of the business interests are voicing opinions here... the barber shop and the landlords here aren't big enough to have any pull. Many are just looking for ways to end it... and would fully support doing housing-first strategies and all that. (because they work.)
Businesses just bought the election for the fucking president. They can buy policy that helps humans.
You think every business wanted Trump?
C’mon. That was a relatively few, large, businesses. Be realistic. The barber that’s looking at losing his business, the others in that building had to leave or close.
The landlord, who can’t get tenants to move in.
They probably weren’t trumpers anymore than you were, and I doubt very much they would resist an actual solution to the problems they’re facing.
Landlords can suck my ass.
There are enough idiots complaining now in a variation of "I support Trump but I didn't think the tariffs/deportations would hurt my business"
Yes. Because an infinitesimally small number of business owners say so, all business owners must.
There’s over 4.2 million small businesses in CA alone.
Most of which are owned and operated by totally normal, not-awful people.
I can’t know their politics and neither can you.
What I can tell you is that cities across the country are fucking up the crisis and leaving everyone else involved in a lurch. The homeless people themselves are the most obvious and most needy, don’t get me wrong.
But the current situation is also impacting businesses, causing them to either move away or close as people stop shopping.
City and state governments are fucking it up. Not the fucking barber who probably is a member of that community just trying to earn a living. Not the others who had already left or closed and were also part of the community, probably.
source
Doesn't sound like an infinitesimally small number of business owners.
Every small business I've been exposed to has been more than happy to exploit their employees. Small places with Less than 10 employees or large regional chains with a few thousand.
Doesn't matter if they're ostensibly 'liberal' (read:pro corporate). The owners still support Republican policies because they like the deregulation and salivate at the degradation of labor rights.
is what the infinitesimal portion is about. Only a very, very small sliver of absolute morons are saying that. Everyone else knew exactly what was going to happen and what impacts it would have.
thanks for a source showing business owners mostly reflect the rest of society, though.
Those blasting baby shark 24/7 as a "solution" to the homeless problem may or may not have voted for Trump, but in using legalistic cruelty to try to "solve" problems Trump and them are 100% in alignment.
Costs the same? The price of a speaker and mp3 player on loop is a lot cheaper than rehabilitation and educating homeless people. What should the business be doing was the question. Not what should the government and society as a whole be doing.
Try to keep their business going by bullying in the public space? That doesn't seem like something a business should do in the first place.
7-11 does it in LA. LA metro does it. Lots of businesses and public agencies are doing it. It's definitely something they should be doing for their business and public.
'Come on, babe. Lots of people are doing it. It's ok. Totally not psychological torture or psyops. Just one more location. It'll totally solve the problem. Come on, everyone's doing it.'
It is ok. Hearing annoying music that you can move away from is far from psychological torture. Would you consider being surrounded by drug use and by trash as psychological torture?
sounds like the tenant that's playing music needs to move then if they're so psychologically tortured by seeing the poors
They aren't making the claim that they are being tortured. That would be absurd. It is also absurd to just sit in front of a speaker that is playing music and say you are being tortured instead of moving.
Bad faith argument.
Do you understand how to help humans, or do you simp for businesses?
Not even close to a bad faith argument. How can they help homeless people when their business is failing and they are worried about their own financial situation?
If they want the benefits of a highly capitalist society, paying customers, they have to deal with the fallout of a highly capitalist society: a large and unassisted homeless population
They aren't getting these because of the homeless. The whole area is becoming completely void of businesses and the buildings are completely falling apart. Your argument goes the same for the homeless. If they want the benefits of society they get the good and the bad with it as well.
The argument that the homeless benefit from dog eat dog capitalism and the society that we pretend exists around it is so terrible that you should consider taking a time out from posting for your own mental health.
no one benefits from dog eat dog capitalism but the most wealthy, homeless people the least
You get the good and the bad is the previous posters argument. Not mine.
You're saying it applies to people who have basically nothing. If you don't understand how ridiculous an argument that is, you should take a moment to consider it.
So you agree.
I definitely don't agree with you.
You should reread what you are arguing.
You should read what you're arguing (perhaps for the first time).
You are wrong. I'm done talking with someone who jumped into someone else's argument and doesn't know what they are even agreeing with.
Ok then someone should hire the homeless to clean up, those business owners could pool their money and offer food and they'd have a nicer area after
Ends don't justify means (CCC 1753)
So what should businesses on skid row do? Just close?