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Ok I'm with you on the whole store exclusivity thing but come on. More exclusive? Having to buy from a certain store and being able to run anywhere on hardware of your choice is hardly more exclusive than being forced to buy from one vendor and only run on one system.
That said, I do think this whole argument is somewhat moot because the steam deck and switch serve very different but overlapping audiences. I own an original switch and a steam deck, I don't think one can replace the other but I've opted not to buy the switch 2 because Nintendo's anti consumer practices really turn me off if they want to tell me what I can do with the games and hardware I bought from them.
I’m passing on the Switch 2 for similar reasons.
I can either fund Nintendo to sue open source developers or I can fund Valve who are payrolling open source developers.
But you can’t…? It’s locked to OS, and it doesn’t run on ALL hardware. There’s minimum specs, and you can’t play modern games on windows 95.
Why do people ignore the glaring flaws while preaching the few okay ones? And the obvious lies too. The pros that people use, all fall flat when you follow them. You say all hardware, but it’s not, and never has been has it…?
A yes, a very insightful and polite response.
Should have known trying to have a civil discussion about anything related to Nintendo would lead to trolls coming and brigading and insulting.
Sock puppet: [email protected]
You can see their voting history on Lemvotes.
You realize there’s been vast technical advancements since 1995, right?
So if this statement is true, an OS wouldn’t be a limitation.
Of course tech is better, that’s why you can’t play on it anymore with anything modern. Do you seriously need this pointed out?
And lots of old windows 95 programs don’t run on modern hardware, so if you bought something back then, you’re SOL with modern hardware. Limitations everywhere.
I’m not the OP, but the original statement wasn’t that you can run on all hardware—but rather the hardware of your choice.
There are many, many different PC models available, with a variety of form factors, with vastly different components. And you can choose whatever gives you value.
Nobody is claiming that you should run Black Myth Wukong on an old IBM Aptiva except you.
Right, but it’s not freedom, when it doesn’t run on everything. You need to keep your system updated to play modern games.
With a switch, any game released, you know will play.
So yes it’s MORE exclusive in some situations.
Where? Don’t put words in peoples mouth if you want to have a civil discourse, but of course with this being your post, we know your bias already.
The thing you are arguing for, literally has a list of games it CANT run… and it includes a lot of modern games as well as older, so it can’t even run them… nice non-exclusion eh? It limits on BOTH sides.
I never claimed that. I said it was a limitation. Which it is. It limits its capability. Limitations are flaws, but that doesn’t make it flawed, it still works. Funny how words can have multiple definitions and you can choose which one to fit your narrative. Having to get a specific system to play the games you want, is cumbersome, it isn’t always easy, or even doable in some situations now.
Quite putting words in peoples mouth, and again with the insulting when someone has a dissenting opinion. You don’t agree with me, that doesn’t mean I’m a sock puppet. Just shows you don’t want to have a civil discourse and go to fallacies.
… you agree the Pc is more limited in almost all situations now? That’s not my claim. I said some.
You know what? I just had a change of heart.
PC gaming is so much more limited compared to the Nintendo Switch 2.
You can only play on the Steam Deck. All games available on PC have to be licensed by Valve. If Half-Life is played on anything that isn’t a Steam Deck, Valve will sue you into oblivion.
If only PC gamers could play their games on the hardware of their choosing instead of that one handheld. 😢
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
Bingo. Nintendo and all game consoles are all walled gardens, but not necessarily a bad thing in this case. The Steam Deck is more of handheld PC that can pretty much run anything when in Desktop Mode. They’re two completely different beasts.
Any non modern Nintendo console is capable of playing homebrew games, so this isn’t even true.
People have released NES and gameboy games in the last few years. Even on carts.
Just because Homebrew is possible doesn’t mean Nintendo intended for you to do that.
The games released on carts arent official games, but they’re playable on an unmodified console/system. Where do the goalposts get moved to now? Games are released on something you said wasn’t possible, so which is it?
Both can be true.
How so? How can it be a walled garden if anyone can develop and release a game cartridge for it?
If anyone could release a game cartridge, the GBA would have been filled with shovelware and we wouldn't need emulators. Homebrew was possible on the DS and later thanks to off-the-shelf SD cards, but that didn’t mean you were going to be suddenly granted a writable game cartridge.
Anyone can release a cartridge though? This part you’re ignoring.
Why move the goalposts? You’re also now suggesting we gatekeep devs? Why is releasing something on pc fine, but wouldn’t be fine if it was “homebrew”? Because it doesn’t fit your bias?
A game release is a game release, or do these limitations only apply to one side unevenly?
Pc is FULL of shovelware, so that shouldn’t be the metric we use? Yeah?
Why do you keep insisting I’m moving the goal post? I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just pointing out the process is not easy as you claim it is.
I never said it was easy?
You said it was a walled garden, so it sounded like you weren’t aware that homebrew and modern cartridge releases exist. And are now arguing why those aren’t applicable to your “walled garden” comment.
Prove to me that there isn't a walled garden.
Ok, now suppose you want to release a game for any of the modern Nintendo consoles.
You need to get a devkit. To get it, you need Nintendo to approve your request, and you need to pay them for a license to use the devkit hardware. And, to actually use the devkit, you need a PC running Windows.
Sure, to develop a game for PC, you need a PC. But do you know what you don't need on top of that? A devkit and a Windows license.
Edit: Two downvotes in two minutes? Oh my, the sockpuppets are angry today.
It's not a sock puppet, [email protected] just happens to agree wholeheartedly with SchmidtGenetics and downvote/upvote the same comments a couple minutes after they do. /s
Funny how month long idle accounts come out as well on those same votes, what does any of it imply?
There are flaws and benefits to every platform, that's why they exist otherwise only one would stand the test of time. There's a reason why PC gaming continues to march on. It has its flaws, sure, I wouldn't necessarily say glaring though.
The argument here isn't that PC gaming is flawless or you can run on literally any hardware or os, that's silly. Just that it's more flexible and open to choice. I run my Steam library on my Windows PC, Linux PC and steam deck. Games I bought a decade ago can run perfectly fine on all these configurations. That's the argument I was making and why your claim of PC being more exclusive seemed so disconnected from the reality of my experiences at least.
Still, it's not an argument to say you should use one platform or the other. Just that they are different and have their pros/cons, flexibility being a huge pro of the PC platform that's important to some people and less so for others.
That’s literally what I’m trying to point out? They all have their own quirks. And yet people bicker it’s funny.
I point out there’s limitations on PC, and get insulted. The circlejerking against Nintendo and for Steam is just wild on this community.
Well, I don't know what to tell you then, mate. If that's all you're trying to say I don't think it's particularly controversial. Maybe it's the way you're saying it.
I insulted sir Gaben, steam and gaben are sacred on Lemmy. I spoke ill and got brigaded, happens to any comments like that. Could do without the blatant insults, surprised the mods allow it, or maybe they just haven’t gotten to it yet.