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[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Yeah this is scary. Down syndrome is definitely in the gray area too where it can be viewed negatively but plenty of people have it and lead fulfilling lives. Wipe cystic fibrosis out of a fetus and all but the most staunch biological purists would agree it was a good thing. Make your fetus white, blonde, and blue eyed and it's obviously eugenics. I don't know how I feel about this.

Completely apart from the ethics, I think this technology is really cool though.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They live fulfilling lives at the detriment of others who have to live less fulfilling lives, maybe they don't see it that way, but its added responsibility

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

Actual Nazi rhetoric btw

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

There are a lot of reports and interviews with ppl who have down syndrome that are not happy at all with their situation. Ie. Unable to have a driving licence, go to university, huge disadvantage on the dating market… the list goes on. I’m not saying they can’t have fulfilling moments but we also shouldn’t kid ourselves and look at down syndrome with rosy eyes. If it could be cured everyone would do it instantly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm not looking at it with "rosy eyes", I'm just explaining that to me it's not nearly as cut and dry as something like cystic fibrosis.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_model_of_disability

Notice how everything you listed is a result of society's treatment of them and not necessarily their learning disability itself?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Phenotype vs biological normative.

Deaf people will decry “fixing” a person hearing impaired in the womb. Yet, it’s a correction to biological normative.

Adjusting a gender to a different one in the womb would not be.

Adjusting physical traits for looks wouldn’t be.

Adjusting a physical trait like spinal deformity would be.

Adjusting for general height would not be.

If there is something diagnosable in the ICD-10 codes we have, and it’s preventable in a population, it would not be eugenetics. Remove gene editing as the tool, but just say “magic” a cure. Cures apply to diseases, not traits.

You don’t cure being black. You CAN cure sickle cell.

I think the line is pretty clear.

You simply use existing diagnostic criteria of deviation from biological normative function.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

The diagnostic criteria and the culture that determines that criteria are both subject to change. lots of things that people consider perfectly normal now would be classified as a disease or disorder in the past.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Who defines the diagnostic criteria?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

Gattaca is the semi-dystopian vision of our future if we just walk blindly down this path without legislating it properly in advance.

For those who haven't seen the movie: Rich people start paying for perfect "designer babies". A person's genetic information becomes their whole identity; businesses only hire employees with the most genetic predisposition towards being good at the job, while regular people conceived "the old-fashioned way" get McJobs. Even wearing glasses is treated like a crippling disability that immediately and visibly marks someone as "inferior".

It is extremely important that we pass laws to ensure that genetic engineering doesn't create a new caste system.