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President Donald Trump said the US military struck three Iranian nuclear sites as the United States entered the conflict between Israel and Iran, raising fears of a wider war in the Middle East.

Israel and Iran traded new missile attacks early on June 22, in the hours after the US strikes, and Iran's foreign minister said Tehran "reserves all options to defend its sovereignty, interest, and people" following what he described as an "outrageous" step by the United States.

Several world leaders called for a renewal of negotiations, with some in the West stressing that Iran must not acquire nuclear weapons, and the UN chief cautioned of a "growing risk that this conflict could rapidly get out of control."

Trump announced what he called a "spectacular military success" on June 21, saying US bombers hit nuclear sites at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan in a joint effort with Israel to destroy Iran’s nuclear program after diplomacy failed to get Tehran to return to the negotiating table.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

In that case you must not be looking very hard, because I see these arguments every other thread. In case you actually don't see this stuff, long story short the arguments boil down to "See? We fucking told you centrism wasn't going to work," "so genocide is bad now that Trump is doing it," "the heck are you blaming us for? It was the moderates who stayed home" and "there were either enough progressives to sway the election or not enough to listen to them, you can't have it both ways". Also, though I haven't seen this one much from other people, here's me in this thread:

Then why is the DNC not pushing back on Trump's, by his own admission, war? Why are they saying exactly nothing about the genocide in Gaza? If they had any issue with these things, we'd have heard it. I mean hell, Barack "hope and change" Obama had the chance to end the war on terror and he just... didn't. If you think imperialism is a partisan issue in American politics you should take a long hard look at the history of your country, because that shit is fucking ugly and it doesn't get prettier with the blue oligarchs in charge.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

Because they're not a good choice. They're just the better choice.

But being against them is still an idiotic move. It's called strategic voting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

But being against them is still an idiotic move.

Only if you only think four years into the future and don't think of how to actually get your way out of this mess, but either way we should be able to agree that the "can't vote for Kamala because war" people are not, in fact, quiet.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, you're the best example that they've got a direct line of copium to their home.

I guess helping to get Trump elected was a brilliant move for the future! Bright times ahead after his 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Notice how they got you talking about Democrats instead of Republicans. Be careful, don't let them distract you.

Republicans are the problem at hand. Have been for decades.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

That's exactly my point, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay if you think Pelosi isn't part of the problem I have a bridge to sell you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is she the one who just bombed Iran?

Is she the one with unidentifiable ICE agents shoving people into unmarked vans?

Is she in the room with us right now?

This both sides nonsense is so fucking pathetic right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Your argument, if it can even be called that, isn't proving anything at all. Pelosi isn't doing these particular things, but she has her own list of crimes.

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