All the "Can't vote for Kamala because war" people are pretty quiet lately...
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the only candidates who would have preferred peace and humanity over shilling for superpacs and israel have been deemed “unelectable” since 2016 and will continue to do so. hopefully aoc can pull an obama in next election
Hopefully there IS a next election. You can’t see Dotard trying to postpone because of “this big ugly war”?
He can try to postpone an election, but he can't postpone the looming widowmaker...any day now, hopefully...
since 2016
I can't help but feel it goes a little ways further back than that...
"Oh who cares what the protesters are whining about when the other guy is clearly a racist madman? These college kids make a lot of noise, but when it comes down to it they'll show up for Humphrey."
it was just a matter of when. Democrats are not your saviors. They are incentivized to leave things shitty to force voters’ hands and make the illusion that they’re doing the right thing and have a choice. Israel and Iran have been going at it off and on for decades. One 4 year presidential term wouldn’t have ended this.
I agree that they're not an amazing choice, but if you think democrats and Republicans are equal in their actions you're delusional.
Then why is the DNC not pushing back on Trump's, by his own admission, war? Why are they saying exactly nothing about the genocide in Gaza? If they had any issue with these things, we'd have heard it. I mean hell, Barack "hope and change" Obama had the chance to end the war on terror and he just... didn't. If you think imperialism is a partisan issue in American politics you should take a long hard look at the history of your country, because that shit is fucking ugly and it doesn't get prettier with the blue oligarchs in charge.
they are equal in action, but unequal in performance and marketing. ie: dems still supported a genocide. reps do too. dems still ICE’d without due process but reps do it with expressed outward intent as if they were salesmen.
they may not be equal but the absolute dogshit term of biden was likely the reason we got trump. he was cheering netanyahu when israel was murdering kids with our bombs or when inflation was out of control because of the megacorp greed. then we have likes of schumer and pelosi who control dnc. one acts like a mossad agent and other only has time for insider trading and lobbying for bigtech.
Stop deceiving yourself. Democrats would have done the same just with more paperwork.
"Everything my team does isn't as bad as if your team did it". That's what you sound like.
Your team did it though. Wake the fuck up.
Because Harris is irrelevant now? That's not as clever as you think it sounds.
Obviously she is, but what's happening now are the consequences of their actions. So I figured they'd either be "damn, I made a huge mistake" or justifying why this is a good thing.
In that case you must not be looking very hard, because I see these arguments every other thread. In case you actually don't see this stuff, long story short the arguments boil down to "See? We fucking told you centrism wasn't going to work," "so genocide is bad now that Trump is doing it," "the heck are you blaming us for? It was the moderates who stayed home" and "there were either enough progressives to sway the election or not enough to listen to them, you can't have it both ways". Also, though I haven't seen this one much from other people, here's me in this thread:
Then why is the DNC not pushing back on Trump's, by his own admission, war? Why are they saying exactly nothing about the genocide in Gaza? If they had any issue with these things, we'd have heard it. I mean hell, Barack "hope and change" Obama had the chance to end the war on terror and he just... didn't. If you think imperialism is a partisan issue in American politics you should take a long hard look at the history of your country, because that shit is fucking ugly and it doesn't get prettier with the blue oligarchs in charge.
Because they're not a good choice. They're just the better choice.
But being against them is still an idiotic move. It's called strategic voting.
But being against them is still an idiotic move.
Only if you only think four years into the future and don't think of how to actually get your way out of this mess, but either way we should be able to agree that the "can't vote for Kamala because war" people are not, in fact, quiet.
Oh yeah, you're the best example that they've got a direct line of copium to their home.
I guess helping to get Trump elected was a brilliant move for the future! Bright times ahead after his 4 years.
Notice how they got you talking about Democrats instead of Republicans. Be careful, don't let them distract you.
Republicans are the problem at hand. Have been for decades.
That's exactly my point, thank you!
Okay if you think Pelosi isn't part of the problem I have a bridge to sell you.
Is she the one who just bombed Iran?
Is she the one with unidentifiable ICE agents shoving people into unmarked vans?
Is she in the room with us right now?
This both sides nonsense is so fucking pathetic right now.
Your argument, if it can even be called that, isn't proving anything at all. Pelosi isn't doing these particular things, but she has her own list of crimes.
A lot of people can die in four years while you're trying to figure shit out.
A lot of people can also die when fascism takes over because you didn't try to figure shit out, and that's the problem with vote blue no matter who: Democrats are woefully underequipped to stop fascism, so allowing them to coopt all left-leaning voices was always going to end in disaster. Coercing the Democrats into becoming less horrible was the only way to get out of this with American democracy intact, but that requires taking a more antagonistic stance than "vote blue no matter who".
I agree with you, but you can do both things. You can vote for the lesser evil while working towards a party that actually represents leftists ideals. The all or nothing mindset is why we have a fascist in office currently.
Here's the thing: To work towards such a party you need to have both a carrot and a stick; surrendering unconditionally and hoping they'll generously grant you the opportunity to represent your leftwing ideals was always folly. In 2024 the DNC basically gave a massive middle finger to progressives, multiple in fact, which was going to lead to disaster if someone somewhere didn't whack them over the head and force them to change course. Uncommitted was supposed to be that, but they were met with scorn by people who kept screaming "vote blue no matter who." Well here's the thing: "vote blue no matter who" destroys Democrat turnout, because to your average voter voting for a party that stands for nothing is a very hard sell. It was change the Democrats while there was still time or bust, and America chose bust. There was no winning with a Democratic party that, to reiterate, stood and still stands for nothing.
The all or nothing mindset is why we have a fascist in office currently.
Non-voters were predominantly moderates, not leftists, so no. The people you're trying to criticize here for the most part voted for Harris.
And your solution is knowing they're under equipped and knowingly helping fascism to power regardless?
Sounds stupid.
The thing is: There are people who are well-equipped to stop fascism; the Democrats just hate their guts. Forcing the Democrats to accept those people and their ideas was the only way forward, which is what people like Uncommitted tried to do and were met with scorn for. Now we're at the only logical conclusion of "vote blue no matter who".
You're a prime example of not letting things get better because they won't be perfect. You're part of the problem.
Better? What the heck is "better"? Is putting Republicans in a Democratic president's cabinet "better"? Is completing the border wall "better"? Is supporting genocide and cracking down on protests "better"? Is the "most lethal army in the world" better? Biden failed all the most important tests put before him, and Harris was campaigning on being worse than Biden. There's at least a conversation to be had if we're talking lesser evil, but better? No fucking way.
They are not talking about Harris...
All of those "anti war" maga voices are about to fall in line.
They don't have to. Donald Trump doesn't need their votes anymore.
We can post some smug leopards-eating-faces memes, though....
Fuck trump and all who support this!
The new axis of evil is inacting their long established plan.
On the bright side, if Trump says they obliterated something, it either means they totally missed, or it was lightly damaged at best. Fucker lies every time he opens his mouth. It's generally a safe strategy to go with the opposite of anything that pours out of that burger hole.
It’s just as likely that they accidentally dropped an entire functional refinery.
Yet nobody can confirm and there are no readings of nuclear waste from the area
So in other words: Most Iranian uranium facilities are intact and operational, gottit.
Whenever Trump brags about something "he did" it's usually the exact opposite