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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.

Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.

A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.

Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many of the Russian invasion forces have desserted/defected to Ukraine. IDF could do the same. I mean like just run far away, never look back.

It wont be easy to desert, but like, if you are part of the russian invasion force, you're gonna get shot, same with the IDF. If its "not your fault" for being conscripted, is also "not their fault" for the opposing side to shooting the invaders, the opposing side is also "just doing their job".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're saying it as if this is common, it's absolutely not. Russian defections and desertions to Ukraine and vice versa are very rare, and for good reason. The chances of you successfully running away are slim compared to failing and getting killed by either Russia or Ukraine. If it was as easy as you think it is then number of causalities among troops in this war wouldn't be in the millions.

But this also ignores how these are not comparable situations at all. The Gaza war is nothing like the Ukraine war, where are IDF conscripts supposed to defect to? It's not like there's anything in Gaza, they can't leave through legal channels, and all their neighboring countries will kill them the moment they find out they're in the IDF. It's a difficult situation to be in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This is just not true. In apartheid Israel if you’re Jewish you are very privileged and you can deny service. Also, no one is gonna kill you, Israelis travel to Egypt, Jordan, etc. just fine unfortunately. And most of them are either still in the IDF or were part of it at some point. They join the IDF because they want to and because they are Zionists, not because they are forced to.

Idk what kind of bs this is you’re spreading, but just because they’re not the incarnation of Ben Gurion it doesn’t mean they’re innocent. If you are part of an entity that commits war crimes you are complicit.