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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (43 children)

As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It's worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

In France the government is helping people get Aircon by subsidising heatpumps, also way more carbon efficient than Gaz or fioul based central heating.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It depends on the kind of heatpumps, in a lot of cases the heatpump is installed to replace a boiler, reusing the radiators and hot water circulation already available.

Unfortunately in this case the heatpump cannot be used as AC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Not as AC, but a reversible heat pump can use the heating system for cold water circulation.

It's rather limited, because you run into condensation concerns, but it's still a possibility. A place I used to work at did this. It wasn't perfect, but took some of the edge off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Even better: quite a few models allow the installation of an extra module that works as a split water circuit air cooler. So no condensation on radiators but cool air blown from an AC looking thing. Daikin and mitsubishi has such models (from memory).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

On the other hand reversible heatpumps work great with floor heating.

Having a cool floor during a heatwave is amazing, plus no noise,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does that work for ground source heat pumps too? Like could I literally cool my floor with one? For summer and light winter, my air to air unit is fine and air to water is great too, but when it's like -25 or -30 out, the air source units start getting pretty inefficient.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Probably, it should be quite efficient as well.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How badly we need AC?

How about “how badly we need to get our shit together to stop human caused climate change”?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It'll be both, even a very aggressive response will take decades for it to Stop getting hotter then at best it will not get hotter. It will be 4-5 decades at best before it gets cooler.

Methane adds some uncertainty to that though. If you were to stop using gas it might cool off after it disappears in a decade in the atmosphere.

But it will keep getting hotter in every circumstance even if we act aggressively on climate change.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

We're very aware in the UK but it's not too easy. We have some the oldest housing stock in the world. We don't have central air with no real way to retrofit so it would have to be one room at a time. Our windows aren't designed to house those units I see in NY. We have to rely on very inefficient portable units so I only use it on the really hot days. Energy prices are still high after Russia's invasion. People are adding proper units when extending but only the rich can really afford that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

For detached houses, you can do split systems with multiple indoor units per one outdoor unit. In a flat, you're a bit more fucked because you might need permission from other people in the building, etc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Split heat pumps are very common in Southern Europe. Modern units have insane efficiency, in the order of 4 units of heat or cold per unit of energy expended, and can be installed almost anywhere, in contrast to central units. The only downside is that they don't provide hot water.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Add to that, that all these old UK houses have about as much insulation as a cereal box.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I live in Spain, and since temperatures are now reaching 39°C in my area, I ordered two AC units for the most used rooms in my house (living room and bedroom).

With installation it costed 1300€. A months salary basically. In my area the cheapest unit with installation was 450€, but it didn't look very reliable.

I ordered it 11 days ago, and I'm scheduled to receive it and installed either this week or the next. AC installers are oversaturated with orders this time of the year. It's insane.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I live in Estonia, temperatures don't ever get to 39C but they do get up to 33-34 and for some reason my house gets pretty humid even at high temps, so it's worse inside than outside, even if it's hotter outside. I got a heat pump installed about 2 years ago, cost around 2k installed, but then again I went for a beefy Mitsubishi unit (big house and only one unit for now). It's an absolute game changer in the summer, and in the winter when it gets cold, it saves me effort as well - I have to load the furnace less.

I figure it's already earned its keep via the heating, but also if I do 2 extra hours of productive work 2 days a week, that's 10 weeks of summertime heat till it's paid off in full and while most summers don't come with 10 weeks of heat, every summer has at least 4-5 hot weeks here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (6 children)

They are trying to push people to heat pumps (basically air conditioners tech wise)

They are also moving towards building/efficiency regs that require completely sealed houses and forced air systems in new builds.

So new houses will effectively be required/encouraged to have an air con capable houses.

The old housing stock though? Oof. I'm on a private estate that even bans that kind of stuff!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Europe and the UK

You can just say Europe.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Nope, UK is not part of Europe anymore ;)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you mean no longer part of the EU? Because for as far as I know the island is still geographically in Europe lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Debatable. They are an island next to Europe. But apart from that, you just stumbled across the joke.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

It most definitely is ;)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Why would they need more airco when many houses and apartments still don't even have proper shutters for windows and many people still don't know you should keep your windows closed during peak heat hours, many roofs still barely insulated and they turned all their yards and driveways into concrete and asphalt hellscapes. A nice adult tree in your yard does more than an airco, fight me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Why would they need more airco when many houses and apartments still don’t even have proper shutters for windows and many people still don’t know you should keep your windows closed during peak heat hours

I'm doing all of that have have good insulation, ground floor. Doesn't help when the temperature never drops below 20°C for a week (and I literally got up at 5:00 when it was coldest to air out my flat).

So yeah, I'm getting an AC this summer.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Overall, I completely agree with this comment. But I live in the middle of the forest, completely surrounded by trees and when it hits 35c that air conditioning is very needed. Trees are nice but an air conditioner they are not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a huge difference in that between the UK and countries further to the south: for example, pretty much all dwellings in Portugal have outside window shutters whilst in the UK it's incredibly rare (instead they have inside heavy courtains, so the light goes into the house and the INSIDE gets absorbed by transformed into heat by the courtains) but on the other hand housing insulation is generaly complete total crap in Portugal, but less so in the UK (still not at Scandinavia or Russian levels of efficiency, but way better than Portugal) so in Winter unless one uses massive amounts of electricity/gas for heating, it's literally colder indoors in Portugal than in Britain.

At the very least both Portugal and Spain are much better adapted to higher temperatures than elsewhere in Europe, and that's anchored on traditional techniques (such as outside window shutters, houses painted in light colors and the type of roofing used) rather than the brute-force energy-heavy techniques (such as heavy use of Aircon) so common in places like the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well in places like UK, people are installing AC instead of trying many other, passive cooling options first. They don't plant a single shrub next to their building but do put in highly inefficient portable AC units meanwhile asphalting/concreting there driveways... That's exactly what got me on my high horse. AC can be needed, but it's definitely not the first way to go in a northern-ish European place if the building doesn't have outside shutters, very non green streets around etc. It's not the miracle solution, AC adds to climate change, other ways of dealing with heat do not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I installed triple glazing and started shutting windows during the day, but since there's little ventilation, that means the air gets really bad here eventually. There's trees on the south side of the house and no windows on that wall. I'm further north than the majority of the UK (think between Inverness and Shetland for my latitude - except I'm at the Baltic sea).

The AC is just necessary in the last few years. A decade ago it got hot, but not unbearably. Now it's worse. I think the increased insulation is actually making AC-less, windows-closed situation heat worse since there are no shutters. I do wonder if polarizing film would be an effective alternative, as I don't want it to be dark 24/7 and I'd forget to re-open the shutters when the summer is over lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

We have it (UK) but its not solving the issue long term , we need titanic change that isnt coming.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Ik Dutch, and have airco in every room in the house that isnt a bathroom or toilet. It's awesome. Also have 30+ solar panels so whenever I use the airco, it's run on solar power.

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