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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (20 children)

There is a world of difference between evil people doing violence to innocent people who just want to live their lives, and doing violence to those evil people in order to protect the innocent

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Yes. But people are people. Just like not all us poors are innocent, not all them richs are evil. "eat the rich", for example, sets a presence of blanketed violence that we will never be able to escape. Preemptively killing someone because they might do evil isn't really any difference in end result to where we are now. The "undesirables", as they've been stated earlier, are not all innocent, and the USA government is kicking all of them out, because some of them might be evil (same as killing all the rich, because some of them are evil). I'm all for protecting the innocent, but the cost for doing so cannot be to kill other innocents. I don't have answers, only criticisms, which is one reason I never got into politics. And, in case it wasn't clear, these concentration camps they're proposing are abysmal, evil, and likely illegal (like that ever stopped them before).

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

I don’t think you understand that quote. “Eat the rich” is part of the full quote, “when the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich”. It’s not about killing rich people, it’s about class struggle and avoiding the situation where the wealthy have accumulated so much that the people are starving. In other words, it’s a warning to the rich not to take so much that they are the only food left.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No I understand the origins. But I also have witnessed it used on here as a call to arms. I'm not referring to the origins, with which I fully agree but, rather, to what it has become as of late; it's current colloquial use.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You really think “eat the rich” is too strong of a response to the rich literally building death camps and making snide jokes about feeding all of the brown people to the alligators? People saying “eat the rich” are crossing too big of a line in this situation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're good with murder, stop talking about it, then, and start acting. But keep in mind, there are worse fates than death.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking christ, get a grip, you spineless bitch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Great argument. You totally convinced the world with your insult lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

so in the face of stripping human rights from vulnerable people, you willfully side with the fascists doing said human rights violations. I am from Germany and we went through our history thouroughly in school and I can guarantee you one thing: Any person that advocated for the Nazi cause, were part of the Nazis (even mere infantery cannonfodder), or silenced critiquers were tried in the Nürnberg (Nuremberg) trials as fully guilty. So when the MAGA craze settles, and people look at this situation with a 20 20 vision, I hope you are aware at what you are promoting here. The Hague is there for a reason and any sane person in the western world is just waiting for the trials to begin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no clue how you went from "I believe murder is wrong" to "praise the nazis", but ok.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two things you should look into...

Paradox of Tolerance.

Social contract.

The people not just advocating for, but actively trying to be personally in charge of putting huge portions of the population into death camps are not worthy of tolerance. We cannot allow them to exist unchallenged. Life has been too easy for them, and we have been too abiding of their views and hateful rhetoric, which has empowered and emboldened them into this state of being. They will cry for your tolerance, but not give second thought to callously harming millions of people just for clout. You gotta draw a line somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Reread my original comment (and all others that followed, if you want). I never, not once, stated that what they're doing is fine, nor did I claim we shouldn't fight back (in fact, I suggested we should fight back and implied we would be right to do so). But people like to see what they want, in order to find a conflict that wasn't there to begin with. I am fully aware of the two concepts you mentioned, though I have a hard time accepting the latter sometimes (but I don't disagree with it). To immediately jump to murder is not the right call (almost never is), but violence can be the right call (but not always).

Ignoring the next two statements, ignores the social contract.

  • Someone who is willing to immediately jump to murder, is as bad as the nazis we all hate. This someone is acting like the nazis.
  • On the flip side, someone who is unwilling to kill in defense of self or others after exhausting all reasonable avenues, is as bad as the nazis we all hate. This someone is enabling the nazis.

We like to call anyone who disagrees with our points of view, no matter how logical, as a nazi or other, more colorful insults, but never once do we stop to consider a path better than our own.

What this idiot is doing is not fine and must be stopped, but this comment chain calling a total stranger (who, by the way, agrees with your point of view on the original matter of this post) a nazi, is not the way we make a change. If you live in Florida, maybe find your way to your governor and rally in the streets. If you live in the USA, maybe you find your way to your state officials and demand the change. Maybe you can find your way to the site of this atrocious construction, and prevent further development on it or prevent it or ever being used or, I don't know, anything besides online-threatening the lives of people whom you've never met based on the shit they do... Stop bitching and do something about it.

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