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China's foreign minister tells EU that Beijing cannot afford Russia to lose in Ukraine, media reports
(kyivindependent.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Jul 2025
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If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them.
Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.
I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia...until next time...
Taiwan for Ukraine would actually be a trade worth considering for Europe. The major problem, besides values like freedom and democracy, international law, is the interruption of supply lines from Taiwan caused by a Chinese takeover.
Interruption? You mean ceasing, as all semiconductor industry would be levelled by the usa
Exactly, Taiwan made sure it was worth defending, but I fear that this will lose value over time. Besides you never know what stupid shit is going to come out of tramp's brain the day anything escalates.
Trump like the military because he does like everything powerful and strong. I think he truly is opposed to long and costly wars. So far his actions track that pretty well.
Trump is looking for deals to enrich himself or become more famous and powerful.
...so was putin (who is smarter than him), it was supposed to be a 2-week SMO in the Donbas. But the problem with these megalomaniac gamblers is that it is easy for them to miscalculate, because they think war is easy, quick, simple and they think that their opponents are no match.
Well in the case of the places Trump wants to invade Canada and Greenland a war would very likely be a short special military operation. The US can easily blockade both land, sea, and air, so they don't get any external supplies. After a short air campaign and ground invasion, the Canadian armed forces would have to retreat north outside the main population zones. They would run out of supplies pretty quickly. An ensuing guerilla war is possible, but unlikely to repel American forces any time soon.
The diplomatic fallout would be pretty bad though.
they couldn't even bomb one nuclear facility correctly, how exactly is the US military going to do a raid on a bigger country that is literally directly connected to us
With the disruption of the chips act, taiwan will remain valuable a while yet
Trade worth considering for Europe. Huh. So fuck the Taiwanese, if that's good for Europe?
This kind of thinking by Westerners is why "multipolar world" as a concept is so popular.
Multipolar world exactly means abandoning Taiwan. It means everyone for themselves.
No. Multipolar means everyone can have multiple independently powerful allies/enemies. It means India, ASEAN, etc. being powerful enough to step in and help ROC when westerners decide to abandon it.
India and ASEAN have no credible power projection capabilities to do anything for Taiwan. ASEAN is primarily an organization for economic cooperation.
Multipolar means strong countries get to bully their neighbors without repercussions.
In a multipolar world they will have credible power projection capabilities.
China is clearly responding to EU leaders like Kallas saying China is next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQTS1RC50A
"Take on" is doing the heavy lifting in that whole video. It means dealing with all sorts of hybrid warfare on the part of China, like cyberattacks or funding Orban and far-right parties or taking on the cheap electric vehicles. It does not mean going to war with China. Even if you look at NATO's documents, it is referred to as a long-term challenge, not a direct threat.
Again, this is in the context of Obama's pivot to Asia. China sees what your saying as excuses and wants the EU to prove their not just following US orders. Which you've said over and over again they won't decouple so China doesn't believe them.
Well, things were slightly better before COVID, after that, the EU decided to derisk, because trust in China actually decreased across the board. In other words, the US is not as untrustworthy as China...yet.
Ok well we are talking in the context of if true then EU should x. Well it's only true if the EU continues to want to confront China. China is simply saying that's up to you
yeah...really puts the maga view of Europe of "pathetic freeloaders" into context...I just don't believe that leaving the US would make Europe safe. On the contrary. I actually fear a grand bargain to finally destroy liberal democracy between idiot dealmaker trump and rising power Xi. Their interests are aligned in this respect: as long as it exists anywhere, liberal democracy is a threat to their political projects.
Well, this puts us well out of the realm of is what China saying evil, it's not it's just telling the EU to choose. And instead into the realm of grand strategy of nations. I would love to continue the conversation, but this will be rife with opinions and wild inaccuracies. I don't agree with what your saying but for me to explain would be long, as well as I can't be sure I am right.
Maybe.
To be clear this is an outlet for pro-Ukrainian propaganda with stories that have quite often never been verified or repeated. I get it, they're fighting a war for survival, but I still will take it with a grain of salt especially when it sounds unlikely.
Not maybe, Wang Yi literally said we cannot let Russia lose because the US will pivot to China. It's a not subtle way of saying if you guys keep talking about taking out China, we obviously won't help you.
The second paragraph added some important context, if you skimmed over it.
Except even the president of Taiwan has already said he is willing to negotiate a merger. And the KMT is gaining in popularity, the pro-China party. Why would an invasion even be in the cards? Oh wait, you think that because you don't actually know what's going on in Taiwan at all but keep speaking for us.
Lol. In 2025 your propaganda bot should be able to scan conversations better than this one.
Lol let me guess instead of fact checking me you'll tell me I can't speak English and hang up
https://youtu.be/JDR5itJtZU8
Clearly, you can speak English quite well, just not understand it.
I actually can respond to this, for the real people reading. KMT isn't pro-China, just more confrontation averse with them. These are the guys that fought Mao, right? And, they lost the last election handily to the radical anti-Chinese candidate. Not sure WTF is up with the claim about the president.
But, we were never talking about Taiwan, and definitely not about the Uighur genocide.
You brought up the second paragraph. You brought up Taiwan. I'm just calling KMT pro-China to be aggressive with you. But your actually right, I am surprised you knew even that much.
Edit I accidentally hit send. Here's the merger talk
https://youtu.be/QQCRmOPeHLM
I mean to say knew that much about the kmt
Oh, the second paragraph of my comment, not the article. Kyiv Independent is questionable as a source, basically.
Sorry for calling you a bot.
Oh jeez my bad. Anyway I actually hope William lai negotiates with China. China is clearly trying to buy time now and drag out negotiations to let the KMT get more power. I'd rather William negotiate as I think he'll get a better deal.
This does not seem likely.
There has to exist a reason for Wang Yi opening some cards, but Kaja Kallas is not that reason. Wang Yi does not make uncoordinated statements and Kaja Kallas isn't attempting to achieve that either.
Somewhere in the CCP political bureau, it was agreed that Wang Yi will send this public signal.
The reason could be something in China, something in Russia, something in Europe or in the US. What is the reason? I don't know currently, but I'm not the only one solving this puzzle.
As I said EU leaders, it's obviously not just Kallas. But really China's simply trying to create a rift with the US and EU. With Trump, they're hoping there's an opening. They don't really care if the EU supports China, they just hope they see the US as toxic. Which is why Wang Yi said China can't let Russia lose because USA will pivot to Asia, they want to make clear that is toxic thinking.