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Israel’s war in Gaza is chipping away at so much of what we – in the United States but also internationally – had agreed upon as acceptable, from the rules governing our freedom of speech to the very laws of armed conflict. It seems no exaggeration to say that the foundation of the international order of the last 77 years is threatened by this change in the obligations governing our legal and political responsibilities to each other.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Is it? I don't even hear anything out of the Arab states. It should but I don't see much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Because America successfully turned most of the Middle East into US puppet states. There's a reason most of the region is ruled by autocratic regimes. The only Arabic-speaking country whose government is materially opposed to Israel now is Yemen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

This war is of course a huge tragedy, but as someone who sees gaza war as a local conflict borderline affecting few cities, I can't help but chuckle how much lemmy ignores the largest country in the world waging war in Europe and only escalating by every month, while western countries can't seem to keep up in production. It's Russia who will break the world, not some conflict in middle east.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Lol, calling Russia the largest country in the world is a strange way to increase the might of a faded superpower who can't deploy an army to win against a country much smaller than them.

It is absolutely a big deal and most of Europe offers financial, military and humanitarian assistance above what you'll see on Lemmy. The difference is the genocide in Palestine is war crime after war crime. Sure, Russia commits and has committed war crimes, but even they follow most of the rules of war. Israel is genocidal. It's supported by their people. It's abhorrent.

I think Israel is foolish. They are protected by their international support and not viable on their own. Trump is unpredictable and nationalistic. They could get left out in the cold, like USA did to Ukraine very easily. Netanyahu has is ear. As does Putin and the Saudis. In trumps case, it'll be what he can get. Israel have less to offer while requiring the funding the others don't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

Faded superpower? Mate, this one country is now producing more weapons than all of nato combined. Wake up. While we're discussing how much to start spending on defense by 2030, russia has multiplied their manufacturing rates, hence the every upcoming week being the worst in Ukraine's history.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think Israel is foolish. They are protected by their international support and not viable on their own. Trump is unpredictable and nationalistic.

That's weird logic. If we're going with Trump being unpredictable, then it really doesn't matter what Israel does in terms of maintaining support from Trump.

And countries don't base foreign policy based on what teenagers on the internet want. They base it on interests. What has Israel done that goes against anyone's national interests? Iran is a thorn in everyone's side, and Hezbollah has been weakened and cut off from easy supply from Iran because Assad's regime is gone. It's not in anyone's interest for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and Israel has proven their capability in taking out Iran's air defenses. The Houthis are a problem for global trade and Trump isn't going to hit them as long as they keep to their deal and not hit US shipping.

So given everyone's interests most countries might wag their finger at Israel publicly for political reasons, but people in power know that if their people were taken hostage by terrorists, they'd do much the same thing as Israel has done. The US has become unreliable in dealing with the middle east (not really caring about Houthis attacking other country's shipping) so they need an ally in the region to keep Iran and their proxies in check. And Israel has demonstrated a lot of capability in that regard. So do you think countries are going to isolate Israel for the sake of a small group of protesters constantly shouting insane slogans?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

I mean that Israel depends on usa support. That could disappear on a whim.

War crimes and normalised genocide is a risk to all countries sovereignty.

You're looking at the current layout of the middle east. It's a constantly changing unstable environment. Iran going nuclear is in nobodies interest but Iran.

Not punishing Russia for invasion of Ukraine showed the world that if you don't want to be subject to larger countries rule, you need nukes. Ukraine is the only country to voluntarily give them up. Look how that turned out. Israel has not signed the non proliferation treaty. All other signatory countries have an obligation to stop them too. Where was that will?

Israel won't be isolated due to protests. Israel receives support as a vassal state to be useful in the middle east. USA is no longer dependent on the middle east. Europe less so, but still dependent. Israel is therefore less useful. So support will end eventually, irrespective of Israel's actions. Israel might hasten that end with actions that are politically damaging for the politicians in countries that enable their genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

What? No one's ignoring Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

The only way Russia can win is if Trump bails them out. Which is a possibility, but that would just be Trump breaking things.