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Yeah i should have specified for at home when saying its a scam, i honestly doubt the companies that are buying thousands of B200s for datacenters are even looking at their pricetags lmao.
Anyway the end goal is to run something like Qwen3-235B at fp8, with some very rough napkin math 300GB vram with the cheapest option the 9060XT comes down at €7126 with 18 cards, which is very affordable. But ofcourse that this is theoretically possible does not mean it will actually work in practice, which is what im curious about.
The inference engine im using vLLM supports ROCm so CUDA should not be strictly required.
I think there are some posts out there (on the internet / Reddit / ...) with people building crazy rigs with old 3090s or something. I don't have any experience with that. If I were to run such a large model, I'd use a quantized version and rent a cloud server for that.
And I don't think computers can fit infinitely many GPUs. I don't know the number, let's say it's 4. So you need to buy 5 computers to fit your 18 cards. So add a few thousand dollars. And a fast network/interconnect between them.
I can't make any statement for performance. I'd imagine such a scenario might work for MoE models with appropriate design. And for the rest performance is abysmal. But that's only my speculation. We'd need to find people who did this.
Edit: Alternatively, buy a Apple Mac Studio with 512GB of unified RAM. They're fast as well (probably way faster than your idea?) and maybe cheaper. Seems an M3 Ultra Mac Studio with 512GB costs around $10,000. With half that amount, it's only $7,100.
Theres also the upcomming Framework desktops with 128GB of unified ram for ~$2500