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Many died in Europe.
Jews were not exactly popular as refugees immigrants. A ship full of Jewish refugees was denied entry into the USA famously. At the end of WW2 no state wanted the displaced Jewish population.
The middle eastern Jews who were expelled had no other place to go either.
The Farhud also happened.
Look up at what times Jews were even allowed and strongly encouraged to leave Iraq.
Look at the map of Europe and the number of Slavic states. There are a lot of them nowadays. Or do you want to say that these people aware better off living under the yoke of the Russian and then Soviet Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or the Ottoman Empire?
1935 peel commission. 1947 UN partition plan. Between 1948 and 1967 Israel tried to get recognition of its borders from their Arab neighbors several times.
Oslo was a step towards true two states. There were offers in 2000, Camp David, Clinton Parameters, Taaba, Olmert, I might miss one. Israel made several specific offers, which the Palestinians refused without giving a counter offer.
They tried. The Zionist movement wasn’t uniform either. The Arab population overall wasn’t to keen on the new arrivals, like can be seen in the Hebron massacre in 1929 and many other examples. The local Arabs launched a whole Arab revolt against Jewish immigration. Which lead to the British Empire restrict Jewish immigration severely during WW2. Or do you mean by integrate live as second class dhimmi, who pay extra tax, aren’t allowed to ride horses, are disadvantaged in courts have to wear yellow stars, can’t wear shoes near a mosque, and similar things Jews under Muslim rule were subject to?
The only thing I will address out of this comment since it's all full of Zionist talking points that can be easily debunked.
As I said zionism and the Colonization of Palestine has been going on since 1850.
The actions of of Zionist from this period directly contributed to the Palestinian reactions, like the Hebron Massacre.
Regardless it does not matter as no group of people deserves this type of treatment. An 85-year occupation with no autonomy.
Not a single one of those commissions you listed including the Peel Commission offered a path to a Palestinian state. Something you would know if you just weren't repeating Israeli talking points.
In every single commission the only thing Israel has offered is some sort of autonomy in name. In practice they would still control the air, the water, the border, the trade, the immigration, the electrical you know kind of like how Israel controls the West Bank almost entirely instead of the autonomy they promised to give Palestinians.
Kind of makes you wonder what the Palestinians have autonomy over.
Let's not forget that autonomy isn't the same thing as having your own State either.
There's the fact that every Palestinian including Israeli Palestinians are subject to military law instead of standard Israeli civil law like the rest of the citizens.
Dhimmni is a tax any non-muslim pays in a Muslim country. Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't a uniquely Jewish persecution. Christians and other religious denominations also have to pay it.
Your point about the slavics having a bunch of their own different states doesn't mean anything for self-determination it doesn't discount the fact that you don't need a country for self determination. Especially considering the history of the USSR. Nice try though.
Furthermore Jewish people have had a continuous presence in Palestine for thousands of years and have lived peacefully along their neighbors for as long with only a few events the other religious minorities also suffered.
Nothing mentioned in this is unique to the Jewish people down to and including the Holocaust.
And nothing you mentioned justifies the atrocities and ethic cleansing the Israel has participated in for 85 years.
Oh and as for your Jews aren't popular refugees, refugees aren't popular refugees. No country wants to take refugees regardless of ethnicity
Why was there no Palestinian state established in the West Bank and Gaza between 1948 and 1967?
Zionist ethnic cleansing mostly.
How could the Zionists ethnically cleanse anyone in Gaza or the West Bank while these were under Egyptian and Jordanian rule?
How could the Palestinians commit any pograms when the territory was under Ottoman and British rule?