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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel
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Cutting off defense seems like a dumb move and I agree with AOC on this. We should cease all offensive weaponry sales as that’s clearly being used in a god damn genocide.
Cutting defense means they would have to shift the budget to defense.
Moreover you're helping the aggressor protect itself against finding out the consequences of their own action.
Fuck that noise.
You literally sound like the pro-genocide people with that statement.
You understand that the Iron Dome is why Israel felt it had the impunity to strike Iran and continued to act belligerent in the region right?
Furthermore withholding all Munitions to a state facilitating genocide is the bare minimum. Regardless of the intended purpose any Munition can be turned offensive.
Finally even if Israel didn't have the resupply for the Iron Dome and had to supply their own budget it would not guarantee a genocide against the Israeli people. Saying anything of the such is stupid and undermines the control of the United States has in that area with its massive aircraft carriers that carry the power of a small state with them.
I don't know why you're directing all that at me. I just said they sounded the exact same as the pro-genocide arguments I've heard.
Explain how the statement is pro genocide?
Literally giving aid to Palestinians or threatening to stop funding Israel is seen as helping the aggressor protect itself from the consequences of their actions. Pretty straightforward. A lot of people see all the genocide as 100% justified.
Hamas did some really brutal shit. That doesn't justify murdering people.
Only person here making pro-genocide arguments here is you.
Fucking both-siding genocidal fuck.
You're not clever and it is clear what you are doing.
Edit: to be absolutely clear: you are pro-genocide and you're trying to justify it by sounding anti-genocide. But you, personally, are bad at rheoteric, and it would be clear to a child what you are doing.
Israel should be their own nation. No money for anything to a country committing genocide.
Agreed
Only one country is committing genocide.
Furthermore, resistance against occupiers is not only legal but enshrined in international law.
Apartheid countries, like Israel, are inherently occupiers.
I agree on the first part.
On the rest, are you saying you support the Oct 7th attacks?
Are you saying that you think violent resistance against people killing and kidnapping your children is wrong?
How would you resist people killing and kidnapping your children?
Do you condemn John Brown? Do you condemn the ANC's violent resistance against the apartheid government of South Africa? Do you condemn the black people of Rhodesia fighting their occupiers?
Or, maybe a better example of your moral cowardice, you would have condemned the Warsaw Uprising.
EDIT: Do you you also demand people condemn Nat Turner?
You really called me pro-genocide because I said you should be careful justifying "consequences", and you're out here advocating BUTCHERING women and children.
You're literally the same as them. Bye.
I called you pro-genocide because you are trying to imply that the palestinians are morally the same as the IDF. Get it right if you're going to try and reference what I said.
You're literally justifying genocide. Bye.
I condemned IDF's genocide and Hamas' terrorism. Killing babies is bad no matter who pulls the trigger. You're the one making the justifications.
So, to be clear, you do condemn Nat Turners slave uprising?
You condemn ANC's necklacing people? You condemn the terrorism that created Israel? You condemn any violence that results in peoples liberation?
How does restricting Israel's defense assets from the United States, which they are perfectly capable of manufacturing on their own, result in murdering people? Is the United States immediately going to strike Israel with missiles?
The only people claiming that giving Aid to Palestinians is funding terrorists are Israel in the United States everybody else pretty universally agrees they giving Aid the Palestinians is not funding "terrorist" groups. This is an especially stupid example given the fact that Bibi has admitted to funding Isis groups to disrupt Hamas activities as recently as last month.
Yeah so did the Germans in World War II. That's a wonderful argument you're making. 🤦
So I'm going to predict you're not going to give me a straight answer because you and I both know what the answer actually is. But let's try this again so that you can at least try to prove that you're not just a fool who came in here without any fact to back up your opinion.
How does removing $500 million of United States tax dollars from the Israeli defense assets endorse genocide, and as a follow-up, justify murder?
The real problem is how she handled it. It's a weak, but coherent, position.
She's crashing out over it. She's responding to genuine criticism with accusations of being fake leftists... It's not a good look
I'm not commenting on all the bait. Most of that is you arguing with an imaginary person in your head. Hurting innocent people is bad. Fuck Hamas and IDF. Take from that whatever you want.
But this is funny.
It's like you ALMOST got what I was saying. But you're so wrapped up in yourself that you missed where I was saying genocide is bad.
You're such a coward.
Couldn't answer the very simple question of how restricting funding to Israel is endorsing a genocide or justifying murder.
I was entirely right in my prediction of your response in my last comment. This is an excellent example of a red herring fallacy and a great way to try and avoid answering the above question.
This yours? 🙄
I never said it did. There's your answer.
Like I said, you missed literally the only point I was making. And you're not interested in changing that.
Keep being angry at nothing.
War crimes supporters should leave lemmy. You add nothing here.
I don't support war crimes. But I'm seeing it on this thread unfortunately.
Would you mind reading the username there?
Wow. Eptiome of honor here. I bow to your "holy" presence.
Definitely not a cowardly intellectually dishonest sophist.
Do you think all consequences of aggressors are justified?
Still not an answer to the question. One that you posed.
I see you're dodging your own quotation.
Who cares how much support there is for a genocide? why even bring that up? I'm 100% sure you won't answer this either.
I think imposing any consequences on the aggressors of a genocide would be a good start.
I care. I don't want any support for genocide. Because then you get genocide.
Do you think all consequences for the aggressor are justified?
The obvious and moral position is that nobody should support genocide.
Which is why I don't care who supports genocide. If you support any form of genocide your opinion automatically is worthless to me.
Who cares who supports genocide? Those people can be instantly discounted.
Your question is inane. Answer my previous question if you want an answer to this. You have yet to answer anything I've posited. It's an interesting technique to impose your own question and demand an answer when you have answered none.
So you condemn Nat Turner?
EDIT: accidentally responded to the wrong person
Would you find supplying Nazi Germany defensive weapons during the Holocaust to be acceptable?
Of course not, because those defensive weapons are still used to embolden their genocidal actions
Of course not. And I don't support funding Israel while they're committing genocide either.
My problem was with their rhetoric. It's literally the justification people use to support genocide. My only point was be careful how far you go with that.
Why should anyone care what a war criminal supporting person like yourself insinuates? You lost all right to have your opinion listened to when you supported that stuff. Zionists have committed war crimes and should be banned en masse from lemmy. You are no better than a nazi yourself.
I absolutely don't support it. What the IDF has done is horrific.
I've seen people justifying Hamas butchering people though, which is worrying.
Do you condemn Nat Turner?
Do you condemn the Warsaw Uprising?
I notice you don't answer those questions because it might make you think uncomfortable thoughts.
Come on, if you're so moral have the courage of your convictions. Either explain how those were different or condemn them. If not, you're just a jackass with no moral code other than "this feels icky"
Okay, but on the other hand, if they stopped providing defence aid to israel, they could then say that they stopped financing them and did enough, so they don’t have to stop offence funding for their genocide